11-03-2006, 08:56 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I am a western woman, so I can offer an objective view on this matter. But if my posts are altered or if I am abused, I'll leave.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Being Western or being African or whatever is no certificate of being objective.
Your very first statement shows how objective you are.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Didn't Hindu kings fight each other even BEFORE islamic invasion? So what's the difference between hindus slaughtering people, and muslims doing the same? None.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes Hindu kings fought each other but did they:
1) Slaughter civilians
2) Destroy places of worship of others
3) Impose discriminatory taxes on non Hindus
No they didn't which makes a world of difference, if you are too blind to see the difference then I can't help it.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Taxes are common in all cultures and religions. Taxes are necessary, a nation can't do without them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read before you spew nonsense, the taxes which Hindus paid were extra taxes, in other words they were discriminatory taxes intended to promote conversion to Islam. Here are some passages from primary sources:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->MuHammad bin Qâsim made it clear to the Hindus and Buddhists: 'Those among you who become Mussalmans and come within the fold of Islam shall have their tribute remitted, but those who are still inclined to be of their own faith, must put up with injuries (gazand) and tribute (jizia) to retain the religion of their fathers and grandfathers.'1
Upon this, some took to flight 'in order to maintain the faith of their ancestors' and 'their horses, domestics, and other property were taken away from them.'2
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/jtsi/ch03.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->QâDî Mughîth ad-Dîn told SulTân 'Alâ'u 'd-Dîn Khaljî: 'If the Jizyah-collector ask a Hindu for silver, the latter should offer gold in all humility. If the collector wishes to spit into his mouth, the latter should open his mouth without demur, so as to enable the former to spit into it.'5 Alâ'u 'd-Din is notorious for having pauperized the Hindus to the utmost limit, but it is not known if he acted upon the QâDîs advice.
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/jtsi/ch03.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you allow your tax collectors to spit into your mouth when they collect taxes?
In the West does everyone pay taxes or are Muslims not expected to pay certain taxes?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hindus also want their woman to be fully clothed, they want their women to walk behind them. They don't want women to work, lots of violence against women is going on in India. And so much more, yet you close your eyes to all this.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you know this how?
Last I heard Indira Gandhi was the PM of India, Hindu women vote and can get an education today, so tell me how many women were allowed to get an education under the Taliban and became the highest leaders of the country?
Also in Islam wearing the veil is compulsory according to the Orthodox, in India women do not have to be covered up from head to toe but they are expected to dress decently, does western society allow women to run around fully naked?
Why doesn't it do so?, because each society has a set of standards independent of scriptures (these are called social rules), even without the Bible many Westerners would frown on running around naked.
In reality even Sikh women in Punjab dress decently according to societal norms, they do not run around wearing bikinis (most of them anyway) although their scriptures may say nothing about bikinis because that is the way society functions.
In contrast the Muslim countries bring in scriptural rules to force women to cover up.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In conclusion, Hindus are as violent as Muslims, perhaps more. The reason why they don't commit such acts is because hindus are afraid. Not because they're good people. If they were, India wouldn't be #1 in corruption, violence and the rest. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Please don't misunderstand my bold assessment as an attack on hindus. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You haven't even proved anything you said and there is no bold assessment here, all you said can be considered as uninformed trash.
A person who can't even distinguish between normal taxes and jaziyah claims to be objective, that has to be the biggest joke ever.
Being Western or being African or whatever is no certificate of being objective.
Your very first statement shows how objective you are.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Didn't Hindu kings fight each other even BEFORE islamic invasion? So what's the difference between hindus slaughtering people, and muslims doing the same? None.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes Hindu kings fought each other but did they:
1) Slaughter civilians
2) Destroy places of worship of others
3) Impose discriminatory taxes on non Hindus
No they didn't which makes a world of difference, if you are too blind to see the difference then I can't help it.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Taxes are common in all cultures and religions. Taxes are necessary, a nation can't do without them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read before you spew nonsense, the taxes which Hindus paid were extra taxes, in other words they were discriminatory taxes intended to promote conversion to Islam. Here are some passages from primary sources:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->MuHammad bin Qâsim made it clear to the Hindus and Buddhists: 'Those among you who become Mussalmans and come within the fold of Islam shall have their tribute remitted, but those who are still inclined to be of their own faith, must put up with injuries (gazand) and tribute (jizia) to retain the religion of their fathers and grandfathers.'1
Upon this, some took to flight 'in order to maintain the faith of their ancestors' and 'their horses, domestics, and other property were taken away from them.'2
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/jtsi/ch03.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->QâDî Mughîth ad-Dîn told SulTân 'Alâ'u 'd-Dîn Khaljî: 'If the Jizyah-collector ask a Hindu for silver, the latter should offer gold in all humility. If the collector wishes to spit into his mouth, the latter should open his mouth without demur, so as to enable the former to spit into it.'5 Alâ'u 'd-Din is notorious for having pauperized the Hindus to the utmost limit, but it is not known if he acted upon the QâDîs advice.
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/jtsi/ch03.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you allow your tax collectors to spit into your mouth when they collect taxes?
In the West does everyone pay taxes or are Muslims not expected to pay certain taxes?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hindus also want their woman to be fully clothed, they want their women to walk behind them. They don't want women to work, lots of violence against women is going on in India. And so much more, yet you close your eyes to all this.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you know this how?
Last I heard Indira Gandhi was the PM of India, Hindu women vote and can get an education today, so tell me how many women were allowed to get an education under the Taliban and became the highest leaders of the country?
Also in Islam wearing the veil is compulsory according to the Orthodox, in India women do not have to be covered up from head to toe but they are expected to dress decently, does western society allow women to run around fully naked?
Why doesn't it do so?, because each society has a set of standards independent of scriptures (these are called social rules), even without the Bible many Westerners would frown on running around naked.
In reality even Sikh women in Punjab dress decently according to societal norms, they do not run around wearing bikinis (most of them anyway) although their scriptures may say nothing about bikinis because that is the way society functions.
In contrast the Muslim countries bring in scriptural rules to force women to cover up.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In conclusion, Hindus are as violent as Muslims, perhaps more. The reason why they don't commit such acts is because hindus are afraid. Not because they're good people. If they were, India wouldn't be #1 in corruption, violence and the rest. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> Please don't misunderstand my bold assessment as an attack on hindus. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You haven't even proved anything you said and there is no bold assessment here, all you said can be considered as uninformed trash.
A person who can't even distinguish between normal taxes and jaziyah claims to be objective, that has to be the biggest joke ever.