11-07-2006, 07:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Nov 4 2006, 09:00 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Nov 4 2006, 09:00 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->One of the founding principles of all the Eastern religions is the Principle of Karma.Â
While an indidual accumulates Karma - do nations, cultures, soceities accumulate collective Karma too? What do our religions Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Sikhism say?
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Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains are a very definitive, while what/who is a Hindu?
Sikh means "Shishya" and guru means "Teacher" So sikhs have 11 teachers.
Similarly jains has Mahavira and Buddhsists had Buddha who/what/where started Hindu religion?
as far as I know, for sikhs, Buddhists and Jains hindu is a culture and not a religion in the same sense as "Sikhi or Buddhism or Jainism".
Hindus are the people who live in the land mass between Indus and Brahmputra, himalayas and Kanya Kumari.
Hindus are the people who have a collected culture (Ramayana, Mahabharata, dances, music, languages, vedas, upnishads, etc) of which is also the culture of Sikhs, buddhists and jains.
From Sikh perspective... following the ideals of Ramachandara and krishna are the utmost Khalsa deed you can do, but simply putting his idol in a temple and worshipping the idol is a disrespect for their ideals. Guru Gobind Singh when creating Khalsa on the first of Visakh 1699 said that "Rajputs and Kshtriyas have forgotten their Dharma and are thus giving away their daughters to the Mughals, from the common people of this land, I will create such Warriors who will work to redeem the lost honour". For this he sent out message all across India thus on the first of Visakh, 1699 people from all over India gathered at Chak Nanaki (Anandpur Sahib)., Just the five people that he picked were from Gujarat, from Bidar (andhra), from Jagannath Puri (Orissa), from Delhi, Lahore. You can imagine the wide audience he had at his disposal when creating the Khalsa.
That's why Guru Gobind Singh gave Khalsa 5 symbols.
1. Hair to never forget the truth (god given truth) and your Karma.
2. Steel Bracelet (equality, in old times people of higher upbringing used gold bracelets).
3. Kangha (cleanliness, untangle the hair, live like human and not Sadhus, raise children)
4. Kirpan to upheld the Dharma., even at the cost of own life.
5. Kachchaehra to remember the futility of lust.,
... A Karma of a Khalsa should be such that he/she should work towards breaking the cycle of birth and deaths.. otherwise life of 840 million (84 crores) species is awaiting you to be born again as human for yet another chance to redeem yourself and break the cycle of birth and death.
As well as I know... Kashmir Brahmins should have all converted (converted is a bad word, but realized the khalsa order) to Khalsa back in 1675 when they came to Guru Tegh Bahadur asking for Help. Only Pundit Kirpa Ram dutt (and few along with him) became Khalsa and he attained martyrdom fighting mughals at Chamkaur. Thus... we in 2006 are still having Kashmir and Pakistan problem.
Just like Kashmiri Brahmins rest of India also need to realize the importance of Khalsa, to be Saint yet Soldier and importance of Work Ethic. BTW... I do not consider Manmohan Singh to be a Khalsa of the Guru Gobind Singh since he in the supreme position of power and has let innocent people getting murdered at Benaras and Bombay without doing anything about it. He is Just a token person with turban on his head that goes around masquerading as a Khalsa.
While an indidual accumulates Karma - do nations, cultures, soceities accumulate collective Karma too? What do our religions Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Sikhism say?
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Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains are a very definitive, while what/who is a Hindu?
Sikh means "Shishya" and guru means "Teacher" So sikhs have 11 teachers.
Similarly jains has Mahavira and Buddhsists had Buddha who/what/where started Hindu religion?
as far as I know, for sikhs, Buddhists and Jains hindu is a culture and not a religion in the same sense as "Sikhi or Buddhism or Jainism".
Hindus are the people who live in the land mass between Indus and Brahmputra, himalayas and Kanya Kumari.
Hindus are the people who have a collected culture (Ramayana, Mahabharata, dances, music, languages, vedas, upnishads, etc) of which is also the culture of Sikhs, buddhists and jains.
From Sikh perspective... following the ideals of Ramachandara and krishna are the utmost Khalsa deed you can do, but simply putting his idol in a temple and worshipping the idol is a disrespect for their ideals. Guru Gobind Singh when creating Khalsa on the first of Visakh 1699 said that "Rajputs and Kshtriyas have forgotten their Dharma and are thus giving away their daughters to the Mughals, from the common people of this land, I will create such Warriors who will work to redeem the lost honour". For this he sent out message all across India thus on the first of Visakh, 1699 people from all over India gathered at Chak Nanaki (Anandpur Sahib)., Just the five people that he picked were from Gujarat, from Bidar (andhra), from Jagannath Puri (Orissa), from Delhi, Lahore. You can imagine the wide audience he had at his disposal when creating the Khalsa.
That's why Guru Gobind Singh gave Khalsa 5 symbols.
1. Hair to never forget the truth (god given truth) and your Karma.
2. Steel Bracelet (equality, in old times people of higher upbringing used gold bracelets).
3. Kangha (cleanliness, untangle the hair, live like human and not Sadhus, raise children)
4. Kirpan to upheld the Dharma., even at the cost of own life.
5. Kachchaehra to remember the futility of lust.,
... A Karma of a Khalsa should be such that he/she should work towards breaking the cycle of birth and deaths.. otherwise life of 840 million (84 crores) species is awaiting you to be born again as human for yet another chance to redeem yourself and break the cycle of birth and death.
As well as I know... Kashmir Brahmins should have all converted (converted is a bad word, but realized the khalsa order) to Khalsa back in 1675 when they came to Guru Tegh Bahadur asking for Help. Only Pundit Kirpa Ram dutt (and few along with him) became Khalsa and he attained martyrdom fighting mughals at Chamkaur. Thus... we in 2006 are still having Kashmir and Pakistan problem.
Just like Kashmiri Brahmins rest of India also need to realize the importance of Khalsa, to be Saint yet Soldier and importance of Work Ethic. BTW... I do not consider Manmohan Singh to be a Khalsa of the Guru Gobind Singh since he in the supreme position of power and has let innocent people getting murdered at Benaras and Bombay without doing anything about it. He is Just a token person with turban on his head that goes around masquerading as a Khalsa.