11-18-2006, 09:48 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->How could Pakistan partition Bharat, because Pakistan didn't even exist then, the partition of India came about because of Islam (primary cause) and Muslims (secondary cause).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps a slip of the tongue, i meant to confer that the creation of Pakistan has partitioned India and isolated itself from then from a large part of its history and part of its Indic footprint.
The indus river and the birth of Indian civilisations being in mohenjendaro along with numerous temples and cultural remnants have been slowly and systematically cleansed to rid the pakis of any sign towards their former cultural identity.
With regard to the point of hordes of muslims pouring into India, post any military adventurism, a few points :
a) India's isolationist policy has not worked over the decades, indeed building walls and fences has not stemmed the influx of terrorists crossing the border and engaging in suicide missions on a weekly basis killing many innocent civilians.
b) While i believe plans are in action for punitive response (eventually i hope), i believe we can stem the tide to an extent by looking at demographics and observing which areas involve a great strategic benefit while it has a numerically inferior population.
i) One such area is the Northern Areas, with a population of only<b> three million </b>and a strategic land corridor to china, the Northern Areas serves as a military life and supply line for pakistan from china.
India already holds much of the high ground when it comes to the LOC and the siachen glacier. With a two pronged attack from the west of siachen and crossing north of the LOC, supported by CAS from the IAF skardu could be taken within a day!
This of course would invite a 1st nuclear strike by pakistan which i intend to discuss a little later on options now on how to negate.
Again there are vast tracts of land west of Rajasthan from ghotaru etc west, where the Indus river is only a 100kms or less from the border. Annexing control of the river and capturing small desert towns will not significantly change the demographics of India, but will place us with much safer options. Regualting their only main highway from north to south and having control of the highways would efectively place the major cities in pakistan effectively within our control.
Again very little of the demograhics of India would change and they would do well to integrate with what i perceive to be a more tolerant and moderate muslim population of India.
Infact during operation Parakram, as you suggest Bhatratvarsh, there were reports of the Indian Army, seeking out lead commanders who would seek to manage captured towns for a period. Trying to hold and control the vast metropolitan centres of Islamabad and Karachi, may be useless and perhaps require too many of our resources. But by controlling the major Highways and the river being only 100 kms from the border would make our control much easier.
Infact this is all in response to what might happen post war. However there are probably many more steps we will have to take to reach that stage.
Gargi, it will be difficult to force onto a population what they will not do, even forcing them to change their religion will not work, nor should we have to resort to it without violating many basic human rights which would go against out dharmic learnings as well.
Hopefully, we will be able to provide for the small number that will be assimilated a better quality of life, a better form of education and debate, and perhaps a chance to take control of their own life as oppose to being controlled. I can hope that with these oppurtunities presented they will choose a life of moderation which can be seen by the majority of Indian muslims.
Had hoped to type more but running out of time, will discuss other issues as well.
Perhaps a slip of the tongue, i meant to confer that the creation of Pakistan has partitioned India and isolated itself from then from a large part of its history and part of its Indic footprint.
The indus river and the birth of Indian civilisations being in mohenjendaro along with numerous temples and cultural remnants have been slowly and systematically cleansed to rid the pakis of any sign towards their former cultural identity.
With regard to the point of hordes of muslims pouring into India, post any military adventurism, a few points :
a) India's isolationist policy has not worked over the decades, indeed building walls and fences has not stemmed the influx of terrorists crossing the border and engaging in suicide missions on a weekly basis killing many innocent civilians.
b) While i believe plans are in action for punitive response (eventually i hope), i believe we can stem the tide to an extent by looking at demographics and observing which areas involve a great strategic benefit while it has a numerically inferior population.
i) One such area is the Northern Areas, with a population of only<b> three million </b>and a strategic land corridor to china, the Northern Areas serves as a military life and supply line for pakistan from china.
India already holds much of the high ground when it comes to the LOC and the siachen glacier. With a two pronged attack from the west of siachen and crossing north of the LOC, supported by CAS from the IAF skardu could be taken within a day!
This of course would invite a 1st nuclear strike by pakistan which i intend to discuss a little later on options now on how to negate.
Again there are vast tracts of land west of Rajasthan from ghotaru etc west, where the Indus river is only a 100kms or less from the border. Annexing control of the river and capturing small desert towns will not significantly change the demographics of India, but will place us with much safer options. Regualting their only main highway from north to south and having control of the highways would efectively place the major cities in pakistan effectively within our control.
Again very little of the demograhics of India would change and they would do well to integrate with what i perceive to be a more tolerant and moderate muslim population of India.
Infact during operation Parakram, as you suggest Bhatratvarsh, there were reports of the Indian Army, seeking out lead commanders who would seek to manage captured towns for a period. Trying to hold and control the vast metropolitan centres of Islamabad and Karachi, may be useless and perhaps require too many of our resources. But by controlling the major Highways and the river being only 100 kms from the border would make our control much easier.
Infact this is all in response to what might happen post war. However there are probably many more steps we will have to take to reach that stage.
Gargi, it will be difficult to force onto a population what they will not do, even forcing them to change their religion will not work, nor should we have to resort to it without violating many basic human rights which would go against out dharmic learnings as well.
Hopefully, we will be able to provide for the small number that will be assimilated a better quality of life, a better form of education and debate, and perhaps a chance to take control of their own life as oppose to being controlled. I can hope that with these oppurtunities presented they will choose a life of moderation which can be seen by the majority of Indian muslims.
Had hoped to type more but running out of time, will discuss other issues as well.