11-21-2006, 03:11 PM
Bharatvarsh,
I understand your sentiments, and agree to the greater part but i also feel we have to be more realistic in our goals as to what can actually be accomplished. Taking into account our past mistakes in history, the fact now remains that we have
160 <b>million</b> muslims in pakistan and another 140<b> million </b> muslims in bangladesh, and to think bangladesh as an area only accounts for ~ 147 000km2!
The fact is that growing poverty and lack of education has served to radicalise these muslims with a growing hatred towards Prospering infidel India and its hindus.
When it comes to eastern India, i believe its this migration of radicalised muslims out of bangladesh into India for greater access to land and hopefully greater prosperity thats driving them in.
Fences HAVE NOT WORKED and never will, they will keep coming thru the fence/wall/ditch, whatever it is to evade the poverty of their lives and what bangladesh offers.
Its this polarisation of the east, thats affecting vote banks and stirring communal trouble. In other words i believe its migrating muslims into assam and other areas that are causing the trouble.
I have explained my views on pakistan above and now the question is towards possible radical Indian muslims. We have approxmately 13% or possible another 150 million in India. Trying to invest our resources into forcible conversions is useless....we're talking of around 300 million + here in the sub continent alone!
So points i think we could emulate are :
a) Seek out the moderate forms of Islam and try to form a co alliance where in they accept some principles of Hinduism. Be this even with minority groups of islam being as someone pointed out the Ahmediyas. Perhaps even strike understanding with Sufi leaders and drive wedges between the various groups of islam. Economic reasons by various Hindu organisations might also tempt immigrants to adopt hinduism. If we can even show one minority islamic group to accept hindus and its teachings, who knows how many might accept that form to preach instead of the radical form thats spurning out of bangaldesh and pakistan today.
b) I believe a great majority exists in vast metropolitan cities of places like Karachi, Islamabad and Dhaka. The objective would be to try and take bufferzones to further restrict the area of immigration. Let the cities morph into sweltering hell holes of intolerance, but if we can control our borders nay expand them to create bufferzones that we can control.
I explained how we can take control of the whole northern areas which has only 3 million people as a whole. Post earth quake this has reduced even further with destroyed infrastructue and people moving south to areas that are more hospitable.
Taking vast swathes of the desert a 100kms to the Indus west of rajasthan would effectively cut any communication between the north and south of pakistan and destroy it.
c) Creation of new cities in pakistan could take place west of rajasthan or even in unpopulated areas in the Northern areas with India's support. We could effectively raise new cities and populate them with hindu's as China is doing in tibet. A couple of million from bihar with promises of better economic future is a start. Even a new city in the gwadar area with sea ports to India would be a vital step in establishing and spreading hindu dharma in that part of the world again.
d) In the east a 20 km south drive of tripura would effectively cut off the whole chittagong hill tracts of Bangladesh and provide India with a sea port to the NE which is BADLY needed for further infrastructure development and progress. The Chittagong hill tracts have also a significant buddhist and hindu minority that are being persecuted and ethnically cleansed, to no avail of help from India ensuring also that we get a large swath of refugees entering tripura. Holding the Chittagong hill tracts provides us with a greater strategic security to our borders.
Our Chicken neck in the east is also a potential danger to cutting off any land access to the NE, taking control of the Rajshami area in Bangladesh would alleviate that concern.
In essence stick the majority where they are in the huge Urban centres, while we can effectively change the minority rural areas and hold greater land areas that are of much strategic value.
c) The propoganda value. As pointed out before, we can't switch on the TV nowadays with some pakistani preaching tolerance and love, only to have a car bomb the next week.
Why can't we beam Hindu values and have greater talks discussions that are streaming all over the subcontinent? Beam Hindu psyops programs and channels into pakistan and the northern areas....do the same in bangladesh. Beam radio discussions and bhajans over the border, swamp them with an information overload. Daily sermons on the mahabharat and the ramayana, verses from the gita....etc We have the lauch capability, and the satellites!
The above while some may seem difficult, is written so that we can all think outside of the box with new ideas on how to tackle pakistan. I believe its a must as our isolationist policy will only lead to our implosion. We must seek to be pro active and slowly work towards some solutions to the breakup of pakistan...which can only lead to greater stability and prosperity.....no matter what the costs may be. In the long run more Indian lives will be saved.
I understand your sentiments, and agree to the greater part but i also feel we have to be more realistic in our goals as to what can actually be accomplished. Taking into account our past mistakes in history, the fact now remains that we have
160 <b>million</b> muslims in pakistan and another 140<b> million </b> muslims in bangladesh, and to think bangladesh as an area only accounts for ~ 147 000km2!
The fact is that growing poverty and lack of education has served to radicalise these muslims with a growing hatred towards Prospering infidel India and its hindus.
When it comes to eastern India, i believe its this migration of radicalised muslims out of bangladesh into India for greater access to land and hopefully greater prosperity thats driving them in.
Fences HAVE NOT WORKED and never will, they will keep coming thru the fence/wall/ditch, whatever it is to evade the poverty of their lives and what bangladesh offers.
Its this polarisation of the east, thats affecting vote banks and stirring communal trouble. In other words i believe its migrating muslims into assam and other areas that are causing the trouble.
I have explained my views on pakistan above and now the question is towards possible radical Indian muslims. We have approxmately 13% or possible another 150 million in India. Trying to invest our resources into forcible conversions is useless....we're talking of around 300 million + here in the sub continent alone!
So points i think we could emulate are :
a) Seek out the moderate forms of Islam and try to form a co alliance where in they accept some principles of Hinduism. Be this even with minority groups of islam being as someone pointed out the Ahmediyas. Perhaps even strike understanding with Sufi leaders and drive wedges between the various groups of islam. Economic reasons by various Hindu organisations might also tempt immigrants to adopt hinduism. If we can even show one minority islamic group to accept hindus and its teachings, who knows how many might accept that form to preach instead of the radical form thats spurning out of bangaldesh and pakistan today.
b) I believe a great majority exists in vast metropolitan cities of places like Karachi, Islamabad and Dhaka. The objective would be to try and take bufferzones to further restrict the area of immigration. Let the cities morph into sweltering hell holes of intolerance, but if we can control our borders nay expand them to create bufferzones that we can control.
I explained how we can take control of the whole northern areas which has only 3 million people as a whole. Post earth quake this has reduced even further with destroyed infrastructue and people moving south to areas that are more hospitable.
Taking vast swathes of the desert a 100kms to the Indus west of rajasthan would effectively cut any communication between the north and south of pakistan and destroy it.
c) Creation of new cities in pakistan could take place west of rajasthan or even in unpopulated areas in the Northern areas with India's support. We could effectively raise new cities and populate them with hindu's as China is doing in tibet. A couple of million from bihar with promises of better economic future is a start. Even a new city in the gwadar area with sea ports to India would be a vital step in establishing and spreading hindu dharma in that part of the world again.
d) In the east a 20 km south drive of tripura would effectively cut off the whole chittagong hill tracts of Bangladesh and provide India with a sea port to the NE which is BADLY needed for further infrastructure development and progress. The Chittagong hill tracts have also a significant buddhist and hindu minority that are being persecuted and ethnically cleansed, to no avail of help from India ensuring also that we get a large swath of refugees entering tripura. Holding the Chittagong hill tracts provides us with a greater strategic security to our borders.
Our Chicken neck in the east is also a potential danger to cutting off any land access to the NE, taking control of the Rajshami area in Bangladesh would alleviate that concern.
In essence stick the majority where they are in the huge Urban centres, while we can effectively change the minority rural areas and hold greater land areas that are of much strategic value.
c) The propoganda value. As pointed out before, we can't switch on the TV nowadays with some pakistani preaching tolerance and love, only to have a car bomb the next week.
Why can't we beam Hindu values and have greater talks discussions that are streaming all over the subcontinent? Beam Hindu psyops programs and channels into pakistan and the northern areas....do the same in bangladesh. Beam radio discussions and bhajans over the border, swamp them with an information overload. Daily sermons on the mahabharat and the ramayana, verses from the gita....etc We have the lauch capability, and the satellites!
The above while some may seem difficult, is written so that we can all think outside of the box with new ideas on how to tackle pakistan. I believe its a must as our isolationist policy will only lead to our implosion. We must seek to be pro active and slowly work towards some solutions to the breakup of pakistan...which can only lead to greater stability and prosperity.....no matter what the costs may be. In the long run more Indian lives will be saved.