12-08-2006, 10:20 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-08-2006, 10:23 PM by Bharatvarsh.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I think the martial races theory is partly true.
The question is how to convert the non-martial races of India into becoming more aggressive?
Sandeep Bajwa had raised the same issue in the Sikhism thread.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A "martial race" by definition means that it has something inherent in genes that makes it more aggressive, if you accept that then there is no way you can convert any so called non martial races into martial races because genetics can't be changed. The theory is a fake British theory, the initial composition of their army had a lot of Brahmins and people from Madras Presidency and these armies defeated the more numerous Maratha and other armies not because they were more martial but because of the superior British organization and discipline, then they found a more reliable supply among Sikhs and Gurkhas so they dumped the Bengalis and others they used previously.
If you are saying that some groups in the social and cultural sense tend to be more aggressive then there is no dispute but genetically I am not so sure.
If you want all Hindus to be like that then teach the kids about people like Shivaji, Rana Pratap and others, give them some basic arms training and don't push them to be the latest maths and science geeks (which is what a lot of Indian parents do) and ask them to stand up to aggression, even the so called religious minded Hindus never teach anything about our armed freedom fighters like Shivaji but only concentrate on the so called bhakti sants, but they don't realise that they wouldn't have survived in the first place if not for people like Shivaji, the Tamils in Srilanka were very docile in the beginning but things changed when LTTE came onto the scene, so people do change when pushed to the brink.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bharatvarsh, Kartiksri,
Do we know the compostion of the Vijayanagara army?
If I had to take a guess I would say it was primarily composed of Nayakas, Reddys, Kammas, Yadavas (Kurubas/Gollas), Vokkaligas (Gowdas/Gounders), Kodavas & Bunts.
Also how do we know Saluva Narasimha was not a Bunt?
Bunts are the traditional fighting class from Tulu nadu.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes the groups you mentioned were the primary recruits for the armies, they would also have included the Velamas and the Kapus.
Also Nayaks is not a jati I think, a lot of groups use that surname or it's variant called Naidu or Naicker, the name Naidu is found among Kammas and Kapus in AP and is derived from the Sanskrit word "Nayaka", even the Madurai Nayaks were of Telugu origins.
So it is more of a title meaning "protector" or "headman".
The question is how to convert the non-martial races of India into becoming more aggressive?
Sandeep Bajwa had raised the same issue in the Sikhism thread.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A "martial race" by definition means that it has something inherent in genes that makes it more aggressive, if you accept that then there is no way you can convert any so called non martial races into martial races because genetics can't be changed. The theory is a fake British theory, the initial composition of their army had a lot of Brahmins and people from Madras Presidency and these armies defeated the more numerous Maratha and other armies not because they were more martial but because of the superior British organization and discipline, then they found a more reliable supply among Sikhs and Gurkhas so they dumped the Bengalis and others they used previously.
If you are saying that some groups in the social and cultural sense tend to be more aggressive then there is no dispute but genetically I am not so sure.
If you want all Hindus to be like that then teach the kids about people like Shivaji, Rana Pratap and others, give them some basic arms training and don't push them to be the latest maths and science geeks (which is what a lot of Indian parents do) and ask them to stand up to aggression, even the so called religious minded Hindus never teach anything about our armed freedom fighters like Shivaji but only concentrate on the so called bhakti sants, but they don't realise that they wouldn't have survived in the first place if not for people like Shivaji, the Tamils in Srilanka were very docile in the beginning but things changed when LTTE came onto the scene, so people do change when pushed to the brink.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bharatvarsh, Kartiksri,
Do we know the compostion of the Vijayanagara army?
If I had to take a guess I would say it was primarily composed of Nayakas, Reddys, Kammas, Yadavas (Kurubas/Gollas), Vokkaligas (Gowdas/Gounders), Kodavas & Bunts.
Also how do we know Saluva Narasimha was not a Bunt?
Bunts are the traditional fighting class from Tulu nadu.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes the groups you mentioned were the primary recruits for the armies, they would also have included the Velamas and the Kapus.
Also Nayaks is not a jati I think, a lot of groups use that surname or it's variant called Naidu or Naicker, the name Naidu is found among Kammas and Kapus in AP and is derived from the Sanskrit word "Nayaka", even the Madurai Nayaks were of Telugu origins.
So it is more of a title meaning "protector" or "headman".