12-09-2006, 01:20 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 8 2006, 10:21 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 8 2006, 10:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-kartiksri+Dec 8 2006, 10:09 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kartiksri @ Dec 8 2006, 10:09 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->and the general public had faith in their religious beliefs.
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This is very true. Islam could not win many converts in India because Indian public was very firm in faith. And who made the public firm in their faith? The Prevailing Hindu social superstructure and countless saints, bhakts, sages and seers who appeared like a rainfall throughout the land of India throughout the middle ages and throughout the spectrum of sects and schools.
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Bodhi you got to be kidding me. Sword on the neck when you belong to the population in the realm of king which lost a war to the jihadi muslim and a dictum to eat beef and loose your jaati cannot be avoided because you belong to the glorious hinduism.
Please grow out of this marxist propaganda that Islam is the next best thing to motherhood and apple pie and the sufi saints spread it in India and that common hindu was just more smart religiously because he was a hindu and hence he did not convert.
This is utter Ape sh1t.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 8 2006, 10:21 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 8 2006, 10:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mughals did identify this root cause very well. Some (like Akbar, Dara) attempted to synthesize this with Islam, which of course failed. Others like Shahjahan, Aurangzeb, physically molested these spiritual leaders.
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Akbar was as big a bigot as others. The only saving grace happened to be that he was married to a Hindu lady who had given him the eldest male hier. This created some moderation in a sea of inhumanity. 30,000 people were massacred after the siege of Chittor when they refused to convert to Islam. Regarding Din-E Elahi Akbar was a drunk as well as married to Hindu women which caused mullahs to not like him. He could not even get any of his court historians to properly record the name of Salmi's mother out of the fear of Mullahs.
Dara I will grant you was a moderate but moderate Islam has no chance to survive. Never in the past and not today also.
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In todays age of strong mass communication through electronic media, communists and missionaries are trying to take that firmness in faith away from people. They know that the major roadblock on their way is this strong faith and cultural national feeling in general public. So they have found the ways, which are targetting Hindu icons and creating controvisies, ridiculing the Hindu practices, trying to stir up the differences between different sects, character-assassination of Spiritual leaders of past and present, demonizing the stronger voices as fundamentalism, showing the christo-islamism in good light etc etc.
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This is a conspiracy theory when you want to blame someone else for your problems.
-Digvijay
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This is very true. Islam could not win many converts in India because Indian public was very firm in faith. And who made the public firm in their faith? The Prevailing Hindu social superstructure and countless saints, bhakts, sages and seers who appeared like a rainfall throughout the land of India throughout the middle ages and throughout the spectrum of sects and schools.
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Bodhi you got to be kidding me. Sword on the neck when you belong to the population in the realm of king which lost a war to the jihadi muslim and a dictum to eat beef and loose your jaati cannot be avoided because you belong to the glorious hinduism.
Please grow out of this marxist propaganda that Islam is the next best thing to motherhood and apple pie and the sufi saints spread it in India and that common hindu was just more smart religiously because he was a hindu and hence he did not convert.
This is utter Ape sh1t.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 8 2006, 10:21 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 8 2006, 10:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mughals did identify this root cause very well. Some (like Akbar, Dara) attempted to synthesize this with Islam, which of course failed. Others like Shahjahan, Aurangzeb, physically molested these spiritual leaders.
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Akbar was as big a bigot as others. The only saving grace happened to be that he was married to a Hindu lady who had given him the eldest male hier. This created some moderation in a sea of inhumanity. 30,000 people were massacred after the siege of Chittor when they refused to convert to Islam. Regarding Din-E Elahi Akbar was a drunk as well as married to Hindu women which caused mullahs to not like him. He could not even get any of his court historians to properly record the name of Salmi's mother out of the fear of Mullahs.
Dara I will grant you was a moderate but moderate Islam has no chance to survive. Never in the past and not today also.
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In todays age of strong mass communication through electronic media, communists and missionaries are trying to take that firmness in faith away from people. They know that the major roadblock on their way is this strong faith and cultural national feeling in general public. So they have found the ways, which are targetting Hindu icons and creating controvisies, ridiculing the Hindu practices, trying to stir up the differences between different sects, character-assassination of Spiritual leaders of past and present, demonizing the stronger voices as fundamentalism, showing the christo-islamism in good light etc etc.
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This is a conspiracy theory when you want to blame someone else for your problems.
-Digvijay