When Did India Become Modern

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<!--QuoteBegin-kartiksri+Dec 9 2006, 12:37 AM-->QUOTE(kartiksri @ Dec 9 2006, 12:37 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Before the Maratha renaissance, for centuries there were many saints like Jnaneshwar, Tukaram, Namdev, Choka Mela, Eknath, Ramdas etc all coming from different sections of society, some were potters, cobblers etc., who through simple songs and the simple concept of Bhakti created a strong faith in religious principles. For the fervour to come in wielding the sword, you require a strong faith. Muslims of the expansion period had a strong faith in their religion otherwise before they were just nomads in the desert. Shivaji had great regard for Ramdas for his efforts towards galvanising the Hindu populace.
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Irrelevant.
<!--QuoteBegin-kartiksri+Dec 9 2006, 12:37 AM-->QUOTE(kartiksri @ Dec 9 2006, 12:37 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-digvijay+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(digvijay)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-kartiksri+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kartiksri)<!--QuoteEBegin-->"But it was the strength of Rajput sword and later Maratha and Sikh swords that kept Hinduism alive in India. If there were no Rajputs, Marathas or Sikhs in India, then India would be just like Iraq, Iran, Turkey, or Pakistan in terms of religion of the population. Every month, in the 1000 year presence of Muslims in India there were bloody wars between Hindus and Muslims. This is quite unlike other countries like Iran, where non-muslims, after loosing a couple of wars gave the muslims a free hand in converting there population to Islam."

If this is what you opine ("If there were no Rajputs, Marathas,...), then let me remind you that the first successful indigenous resistence against Muslim rule was the Vijayanagara empire.
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Are you serious? Have you read the Hunter quote here (Muslims had been trying to conquer India sincethe death of Muhammad and had no success for many hundred years. What are you basing your arguments on?):

http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Rajputs_a...asions_of_India

<!--QuoteBegin-kartiksri+-->QUOTE(kartiksri)<!--QuoteEBegin--> They suffered some 20 years of Muslim subjugation from 1316 to 1336, but they could not even tolerate that much. And the inspiration for Vijayanagara was when sage Vidyaranya asked Harihara and Bukka to save their religion and way of life. The Hindu culture has survived because of its adherents deep attachment to the religion, which they clearly saw as different way of life than what Islam tried to propogate. And it was commonfolk of the Deccan, not any particular race which overthrew Muslims down south. Given a particular set of conditions, socio-economic or political any community can respond.
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Your thesis is completely wrong.
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Kartik: After Muslim conquest of Delhi and then later Deccan, Vijayanagara was the first succesful indigenous enterprise which threw away the Sultanate's rule. You can read of how it came about. Then you can comment with reasons why my thesis is wrong.
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You have no idea what your talking about. Do you know who Kumbha was? WHo was Bappa Rawal? Who was Rao Maldeo Rathore?


-Digvijay