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When Did India Become Modern
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I will give you an example. I recently learnt that in TamilNadu Brahmins were beaten up during the Dravidian movement of idiots like Periyar etc. The situation became so bad that lot of Brahmins migrated out of TN to places like Maharashtra etc even where the Marathis created trouble for them.

Now replace Brahmins with say rajputs. There is nothing on earth which can compel a rajput to leave his birthplace, if being asked to vacate forcibly without a solid fight, which might continue for generations. Other Kshatriya groups and Sikhs are of the same mold though the intensity may vary.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again if things are in the blood then where were Rajputs during the British rule?

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Please research about Babu Kunwar Singh. Secondly Brits were even smarter then Akbar. They treated rajasthan and rajputs with kid gloves and the kings there were made to feel as equals and friends.

<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If indeed it is through blood that you get bravery then why didn't despite having the required blood the Rajputs didn't produce many freedom fighters against the British?
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I gave you a partial reason above. Secondly rajputs in other areas fought for freedom. People like Professor Rajendra Singh (RSS Sar Sanchalak) who was teaching at Allahabad University gave shelter to Chandrashekha Azad, Ashfaq and others after Kakori Kand. I will say they are not very well known but there were numerous people. I know people personally who left Congress after the division of the country and fought against Congress in elections and won!.

<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->By the same token Bengal has a very poor track record of resistance to Muslims but has an excellent track record against the Brits, so how did that happen, did all Bengalis have new blood infused into their veins so that it pumped up bravery in them suddenly?
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These are not binary things. Bengal if you research there history was full of brave warriors who fought well against Islamics also.

<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->As for rajputs never leaving their birth place, sure they did, you ever heard of partition?
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Yeah I have heard of such an event. It is apples and oranges.

<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I am sure some Rajputs left their homes in Pakistan along with the millions of Sikhs.
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Again you have to understand the situation a little bit more. Start with the aftermath of Anglo Sikh wars, figure out what happened to the sikhs and then relate it to what happened during partition.

<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->You ever heard of the Rajput traitors that gave their daughters to Muslims?
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I have heard that too and in fact that was the darkest period of rajput history. But that is just a blip in almost the 1000 year fight that rajputs did fight against the Islamic invaders. Do recall that even during Jahangir and ShahJahan's time rajputs were fighting Mughals and ofcourse the conflagaration engulfed entire rajasthan during Aurang's time.

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And what did the Sikh loss have anything to do with what I said,
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Everything. Brits and sepoys did not win because of there bravery as was opined but because of the treachery of Sikh generals: couple of whom were Brahmins and another one was a Dogra.

<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> the Sikhs were seen as more reliable after they helped the British in 1857 along with the Gurkhas so they were made a privileged group by targeting them heavily for British army recruitment, the same was done later with Punjabi Muslims.
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Yes. Anglo Sikh wars showed them the mettle of Sikhs and they also realised Sikhs could be trusted that is a word once given will not be broken.

Unlike what has happened with muslims even as late as Skardu i.e research how Sher Jung Thapa won MVC.

<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->To say that blood gives you bravery is basically saying that it's genetics, that maybe the case but we have no supporting data to back it up, the case of Tamils in Srilanka is an example, the group was considered non martial and bookish until LTTE came up, did the Tamils suddenly get martial blood infused into them through blood trasnfusions which made them pick up arms?
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