12-30-2006, 04:06 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-utepian+Dec 30 2006, 03:28 AM-->QUOTE(utepian @ Dec 30 2006, 03:28 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vishwas, please dispense with the nuances. Here's what you said:
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->These "arrogant landlords", do you have any evidence that they were anything more than small farmers?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My bad, it was not in bold too. So there you go - double whammy. Enjoy.
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tsk, tsk... if only you had read my request for evidence and spent 2 seconds thinking about it... <!--emo&
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->After all, a multiple-murder action against a single family by 11 individuals, when atleast one other Dalit family lives in the village unharmed, is susceptible to many explanations besides caste. Especially when we know that the history of the relationship between that family and those villagers included a long-standing and pretty bitter land dispute. Does caste wholly explain the murder? Have other explanations even been explored, by you or members of the media?
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Again, again....if they had murdered them stealthily I would have never called it caste related. Family murdered, <i>zammen apna hai</i> or whatever. No problem.
It is only because they wanted to rub the dignity and teach a lesson.
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I think your concept of stealth has an urban bias. In an urban setting, stealth would mean a night attack. In an isolated rural village, why is a silent, night attack required as long as the killers accounted for everyone in the family? The killers sought to kill everyone, including the husband who escaped only because he was very lucky. After the incident, the killers threw the body of at least one of the victims into a canal, and attempted to ensure that other villagers would not cooperate with the police. That would have been enough. In any case, if they had found the husband at his home and killed him as they tried to do, whose dignity would have been "rubbed" and who would have been taught the lesson?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As for the other Dalit family, do you think they or anyone in the next fifteen <i>pusht</i> will even dare? That is the whole point, isn't it?
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Again, this is your interpretation and nothing else. In fact, that also applies to everyone in the village, including those of the killers' communities who did not participate.
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->These "arrogant landlords", do you have any evidence that they were anything more than small farmers?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My bad, it was not in bold too. So there you go - double whammy. Enjoy.
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tsk, tsk... if only you had read my request for evidence and spent 2 seconds thinking about it... <!--emo&
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Again, again....if they had murdered them stealthily I would have never called it caste related. Family murdered, <i>zammen apna hai</i> or whatever. No problem.
It is only because they wanted to rub the dignity and teach a lesson.
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I think your concept of stealth has an urban bias. In an urban setting, stealth would mean a night attack. In an isolated rural village, why is a silent, night attack required as long as the killers accounted for everyone in the family? The killers sought to kill everyone, including the husband who escaped only because he was very lucky. After the incident, the killers threw the body of at least one of the victims into a canal, and attempted to ensure that other villagers would not cooperate with the police. That would have been enough. In any case, if they had found the husband at his home and killed him as they tried to do, whose dignity would have been "rubbed" and who would have been taught the lesson?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As for the other Dalit family, do you think they or anyone in the next fifteen <i>pusht</i> will even dare? That is the whole point, isn't it?
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Again, this is your interpretation and nothing else. In fact, that also applies to everyone in the village, including those of the killers' communities who did not participate.