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Digvijay, is it possible for you to please verify from Rajput sources the date when Jai Singh died, and his role in Jat rebellion, led by Gokul and Churaman?
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Bodhi,
The confusion is because there are two Amer monarchs with the same name, Jai Singh. Mirza Raja Jai Singh died in 1667 A.D. His son was Ram Singh (who helped Shivaji escape from clutches of Aurangzeb)
The younger Jai Singh i.e Sawai Jai Singh was born in 1688 A.D.. His father was Vishnu Singh and mother Indra Kunwarani, daughter of Kashi Singh Jodha of Khairwa. Sawai Jai Singh did fight against Churaman Jat between 1716-1718 A.D. after he returned from the governorship of Malwa.
Then Mohakam Singh, son of Churaman revolted and Badan Singh, cousin of Mohakam Singh, with the help of Jai Singh drove out Mohakam from Thun and Badan became the chief of Jats. This happened in 1722 A.D.
-Digvijay
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Two questions about Jai Singh
How did he get the title of Mirza or who gave him that title? He was quite proud of it.
Which one went as a general on behalf of Aurangzeb to get Shivaji, or is that information not correct?
DILDAR
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Akbar started calling Man Singh, his general, Mirza Raja Man Singh. So house of Amer kings became known by that name. It changed when Jai Singh, who was born in 1688, became known as Sawai Jai Singh. Story goes that as a young kid Jai Singh went to Delhi in last decade of 17th century and Aurangzeb holding his hand asked him if he was afraid to be at the court. Jai Singh replied that there is no question of being afraid because Aurangzeb had held his hand as married Hindu women hold the hand of their husbands, i.e there protectors. Aurang was dumbfounded by the reply and exclaimed this fellow is "Sawai" which in Hindi means 1.25x.
Mirza Jai Singh indeed fight against Shivaji and on his word Shivaji agreed to go to New Delhi to meet Aurang. Shivaji was looked after by Jai Singh's son Ram Singh. When it became apparent that the cunning Aurangzeb would not uphold his word given to Jai Singh about the safety of Shivaji, Ram Singh helped Shivaji and his son get out of Delhi.
In an earlier effort Maharaja Jaswant Singh was sent along with Shaista Khan to oppose Shivaji by Aurang. When Shivaji nailed Shaista it was assumed that Jaswant Singh was behind encouraging Shivaji's daring raid and Jaswant was promptly recalled and then Jai Singh was sent later on.
-Digvijay
Digvijay, is it possible for you to please verify from Rajput sources the date when Jai Singh died, and his role in Jat rebellion, led by Gokul and Churaman?
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Bodhi,
The confusion is because there are two Amer monarchs with the same name, Jai Singh. Mirza Raja Jai Singh died in 1667 A.D. His son was Ram Singh (who helped Shivaji escape from clutches of Aurangzeb)
The younger Jai Singh i.e Sawai Jai Singh was born in 1688 A.D.. His father was Vishnu Singh and mother Indra Kunwarani, daughter of Kashi Singh Jodha of Khairwa. Sawai Jai Singh did fight against Churaman Jat between 1716-1718 A.D. after he returned from the governorship of Malwa.
Then Mohakam Singh, son of Churaman revolted and Badan Singh, cousin of Mohakam Singh, with the help of Jai Singh drove out Mohakam from Thun and Badan became the chief of Jats. This happened in 1722 A.D.
-Digvijay
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Two questions about Jai Singh
How did he get the title of Mirza or who gave him that title? He was quite proud of it.
Which one went as a general on behalf of Aurangzeb to get Shivaji, or is that information not correct?
DILDAR
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Akbar started calling Man Singh, his general, Mirza Raja Man Singh. So house of Amer kings became known by that name. It changed when Jai Singh, who was born in 1688, became known as Sawai Jai Singh. Story goes that as a young kid Jai Singh went to Delhi in last decade of 17th century and Aurangzeb holding his hand asked him if he was afraid to be at the court. Jai Singh replied that there is no question of being afraid because Aurangzeb had held his hand as married Hindu women hold the hand of their husbands, i.e there protectors. Aurang was dumbfounded by the reply and exclaimed this fellow is "Sawai" which in Hindi means 1.25x.
Mirza Jai Singh indeed fight against Shivaji and on his word Shivaji agreed to go to New Delhi to meet Aurang. Shivaji was looked after by Jai Singh's son Ram Singh. When it became apparent that the cunning Aurangzeb would not uphold his word given to Jai Singh about the safety of Shivaji, Ram Singh helped Shivaji and his son get out of Delhi.
In an earlier effort Maharaja Jaswant Singh was sent along with Shaista Khan to oppose Shivaji by Aurang. When Shivaji nailed Shaista it was assumed that Jaswant Singh was behind encouraging Shivaji's daring raid and Jaswant was promptly recalled and then Jai Singh was sent later on.
-Digvijay