Two more older articles. My comments in purple.
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/nederland/ar...n/ja/index.html has the original.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hirsi Ali: charging imam is pointless</b>
Thursday 2 November 2006
<i>Image caption:</i> The imam had already been cursing Hirsi Ali frequently
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is not going to file a complaint against the imam of the As-Soennah-mosque who had cursed her and Theo Van Gogh two years ago. According to her, that will be pointless.
The Dutch justice system is not equipped to be able to punish islamic curses, says Hirsi Ali in de Volkskrant [paper]. 'Our justice system is rational. With mysterious theological language and fatwa-like prayer-pleadings one can do nothing.'
<b>Cancer</b>
'O god, blind the vision of Ayaan Hirsi Ali like you have blinded her hart, O god, blind her vision, O god, bring a cancer to her brains. O god, bring her tongue cancer,' said sheikh Fawaz Jneid in August 2004 in a sermon.
In that same sermon he cursed filmmaker Theo van Gogh too. <b>A couple of months later, on 2 November, Van Gogh was murdered. His murderer, Mohammed Bouyeri, had probably heard the controversial sermon.</b>
<b>Website</b>
The contents of the sermon were only made known this week. But the imam is not unknown to Hirsi Ali. In November 205, he wrote on the youth website www.elqalem.nl that Hirsi Ali 'will have to go bent over under the curses of Allah' and would be blown out of the House of Representatives/Commons 'by the wind of changed times'.
He also wrote that all imams had placed Hirsi Ali outside islam. That was, according to Hirsi Ali, the same as pronouncing a fatwa. The Public Prosecutor in The Hague, however, was unable to find any punishable facts, because Fawaz had not directly called for the use of violence.
<b>Channeling</b>
The imam defended himself this week by saying that with his sermon in August he rather managed to channel the anger of the islamic youth. 'It is a way of blowing off steam if you are unable to get justice on earth,' said the imam on Tuesday.
(Liar, but then, it's okay to lie in islam.)
Hirsi Ali does not agree with that. 'One does not channel anger with screaming emotions,' she says.
<b>Memorial</b>
It is exactly two years ago today that Van Gogh was murdered. Other than last year, there has been no official memorial gathering. The Stichting Vrienden van Pim Fortuyn [Institution Friends of Pim Fortuyn - the Dutch parliament member murdered by a faithful islamic] has however organised a little memorial service. The Stichting [Institution] puts flowers in the place of the murder.
Listen to the sermon
By Ingrid van der Chijs<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/nederland/ar...n/ja/index.html has the original.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Controversial islamologist professor in Rotterdam</b>
Friday 15 December 2006
<i>Image caption:</i> Islamologist and Arabist Tariq Ramadan pleads for a European islam.
The Erasmus University Rotterdam (EUR) has appointed the controversial islam-expert Tariq Ramadan as guest professor to 'build a bridge between the different cultures'.
The municipality of Rotterdam sets aside 200,000 Euro a year for the guest professorship, that can be extended after two years, alderman [lawkeeper] Orhan Kaya of Participatie (Groenlinks) [Greenleft, political party] made public today.
(Orhan Kaya, where's that name from?)
<b>Terrorism</b>
Tariq Ramadan is going to deliver a contribution to the research on 'citizenship and identity', and on 'integration and multiculturalism'. The Swiss of Egyptian origin writes and preaches much about the islamic societies in Europe. Ramadan finds that muslims in Europe can be loyal to their faith, and simultaneously to their new fatherland. <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->
For that, a new, European islam must be set up, because to be able to integrate, European muslims must not place their religion overboard.
<b>Ramadan considers islam to actually be the 'anti-dote' for the European secularism/secularisation.</b>
(Perhaps our pseculars should be informed how an islamic expert professor correctly describes islam: as secularism's nemesis. But then, deep-down, Indian pseculars know that christoislamics only really want psecularism in non-christoislamic countries, not real secularism.)
He also resists strongly that terrorism is becoming equated/connected to islam. There are, Ramadan declares, also millions of muslims who are doing constructive work in Europe.
<b>'Zionist'</b>
Even though the islam-expert denounces islamic terrorism, he is still considered controversial. In September 2006, the American ministry of Foreign Affairs refused to provide him with a visa, because he had donated money to two organisations that colelcted money for the Palestinian terror-organisation Hamas.
Ramadan also resisted against the American invasion of Iraq with the argument that America wanted to protect Israel in this way, and he called the American vice-minister of Defence Paul Wolfowitz a 'zionist' because of this.
The Swiss is also known to the Dutch islam-debate: during a conference about the future of Europe in Sweden in June of this year, he collided hard against Ayaan Hirsi Ali: he accused Hirsi Ali then of not trying to bring about any other mentality amongst muslims, but only to want to do a favour to the western public.
By Robbert de Witt<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/nederland/ar...n/ja/index.html has the original.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hirsi Ali: charging imam is pointless</b>
Thursday 2 November 2006
<i>Image caption:</i> The imam had already been cursing Hirsi Ali frequently
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is not going to file a complaint against the imam of the As-Soennah-mosque who had cursed her and Theo Van Gogh two years ago. According to her, that will be pointless.
The Dutch justice system is not equipped to be able to punish islamic curses, says Hirsi Ali in de Volkskrant [paper]. 'Our justice system is rational. With mysterious theological language and fatwa-like prayer-pleadings one can do nothing.'
<b>Cancer</b>
'O god, blind the vision of Ayaan Hirsi Ali like you have blinded her hart, O god, blind her vision, O god, bring a cancer to her brains. O god, bring her tongue cancer,' said sheikh Fawaz Jneid in August 2004 in a sermon.
In that same sermon he cursed filmmaker Theo van Gogh too. <b>A couple of months later, on 2 November, Van Gogh was murdered. His murderer, Mohammed Bouyeri, had probably heard the controversial sermon.</b>
<b>Website</b>
The contents of the sermon were only made known this week. But the imam is not unknown to Hirsi Ali. In November 205, he wrote on the youth website www.elqalem.nl that Hirsi Ali 'will have to go bent over under the curses of Allah' and would be blown out of the House of Representatives/Commons 'by the wind of changed times'.
He also wrote that all imams had placed Hirsi Ali outside islam. That was, according to Hirsi Ali, the same as pronouncing a fatwa. The Public Prosecutor in The Hague, however, was unable to find any punishable facts, because Fawaz had not directly called for the use of violence.
<b>Channeling</b>
The imam defended himself this week by saying that with his sermon in August he rather managed to channel the anger of the islamic youth. 'It is a way of blowing off steam if you are unable to get justice on earth,' said the imam on Tuesday.
(Liar, but then, it's okay to lie in islam.)
Hirsi Ali does not agree with that. 'One does not channel anger with screaming emotions,' she says.
<b>Memorial</b>
It is exactly two years ago today that Van Gogh was murdered. Other than last year, there has been no official memorial gathering. The Stichting Vrienden van Pim Fortuyn [Institution Friends of Pim Fortuyn - the Dutch parliament member murdered by a faithful islamic] has however organised a little memorial service. The Stichting [Institution] puts flowers in the place of the murder.
Listen to the sermon
By Ingrid van der Chijs<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/nederland/ar...n/ja/index.html has the original.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Controversial islamologist professor in Rotterdam</b>
Friday 15 December 2006
<i>Image caption:</i> Islamologist and Arabist Tariq Ramadan pleads for a European islam.
The Erasmus University Rotterdam (EUR) has appointed the controversial islam-expert Tariq Ramadan as guest professor to 'build a bridge between the different cultures'.
The municipality of Rotterdam sets aside 200,000 Euro a year for the guest professorship, that can be extended after two years, alderman [lawkeeper] Orhan Kaya of Participatie (Groenlinks) [Greenleft, political party] made public today.
(Orhan Kaya, where's that name from?)
<b>Terrorism</b>
Tariq Ramadan is going to deliver a contribution to the research on 'citizenship and identity', and on 'integration and multiculturalism'. The Swiss of Egyptian origin writes and preaches much about the islamic societies in Europe. Ramadan finds that muslims in Europe can be loyal to their faith, and simultaneously to their new fatherland. <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->
For that, a new, European islam must be set up, because to be able to integrate, European muslims must not place their religion overboard.
<b>Ramadan considers islam to actually be the 'anti-dote' for the European secularism/secularisation.</b>
(Perhaps our pseculars should be informed how an islamic expert professor correctly describes islam: as secularism's nemesis. But then, deep-down, Indian pseculars know that christoislamics only really want psecularism in non-christoislamic countries, not real secularism.)
He also resists strongly that terrorism is becoming equated/connected to islam. There are, Ramadan declares, also millions of muslims who are doing constructive work in Europe.
<b>'Zionist'</b>
Even though the islam-expert denounces islamic terrorism, he is still considered controversial. In September 2006, the American ministry of Foreign Affairs refused to provide him with a visa, because he had donated money to two organisations that colelcted money for the Palestinian terror-organisation Hamas.
Ramadan also resisted against the American invasion of Iraq with the argument that America wanted to protect Israel in this way, and he called the American vice-minister of Defence Paul Wolfowitz a 'zionist' because of this.
The Swiss is also known to the Dutch islam-debate: during a conference about the future of Europe in Sweden in June of this year, he collided hard against Ayaan Hirsi Ali: he accused Hirsi Ali then of not trying to bring about any other mentality amongst muslims, but only to want to do a favour to the western public.
By Robbert de Witt<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->