Post 137:
Mudy see how the news contained in your post 137 (above) has now been twisted by the bbc when it turned its jaundiced little eyeball to it. I don't even know what to highlight - there's so much double-speak and brainwashing in there it is just a marvel-piece more than anything.
Note the subtle use of language too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6505791.stm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thursday, 29 March 2007, 10:38 GMT 11:38 UKÂ
<b>Court blocks Indian quota plans</b>
(As if the Indian court is somehow separate from India)
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(BBC has put up 'related' links underneath an image of students protesting
India's colleges and quotas
Despair of the Dalits
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India's Supreme Court has put on hold controversial plans to boost places for lower-caste and other disadvantaged people in colleges and universities.
Under the government's affirmative action plan the lower castes' share of places in educational institutions would more than double to nearly 50%.
(Just in case the reader didn't realise that the BBC thinks such quotas are a good thing, off goes the beeb and refers to it as 'affirmative action' to tie it up with how America is trying to pay off its debt to African Americans)
Correspondents say the move has split the country, with many arguing it could hurt India's rapid economic rise.
But it has the support of millions of students from underprivileged groups.
The plan to increase affirmative action quotas has been bitterly opposed by students at some of the country's best-known professional colleges
The court told the government to put the programme on hold until August.
It said the government needed to provide fresh data on lower castes - also known as Other Backward Castes or OBCs in official language - because it said it found the present data too old.
The 27% seat allocation is based on the population of OBCs in India, according to the census carried out in 1931.
Correspondents say the ruling is likely to provoke strong emotions among the people who support reservations and rejoicing among those who have been campaigning against the government attempts to introduce the measure.
<b>Fruit of growth</b>
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said his government is committed to removing iniquities so that everyone can enjoy the fruit of India's economic growth.
(Words are all these pseculars and their media have. MMS puts together some flowery words which sound proper and right. But that's all there is to them. There is no equality or even sense in his actual proposals.)
The government has recently pushed a bill through parliament in which places at some of the country's best-known professional colleges are set aside for students from lower-caste and disadvantaged communities.
And it is considering asking the private sector to institute some kind of affirmative action and also extend the benefit to the country's Muslim minority.
(Let's see how the Beeb likes it if there were a push for 'affirmative action' quotas for the 'downtrodden' islamoterrorist minority in the UK. Oh, but that would be considered a totally <i>different</i> matter, no doubt.)
A recent study suggested that India's Muslims were economically and socially worse off than Dalits.
(BBC feels the need to parrot this piece of tripe like it's true. In some states muslims are better off than all Hindus, as IF members have shown, but that would be something no bbc 'report' would ever want to admit let alone mention.)
But the move is being opposed by many who feel that it will lower standards and endanger India's economic growth.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Reliable colonial mouthpiece, the beeb. According to them, the 'dalits' are too unintelligent that they need this ridiculous new quota system. What, are they implying Harijan communities can't get there on their own hard labours?
What I think a proper government in India should do is
(1) ensure that everyone gets (non-madrassa, non-psecular, non-dawaganda) education until minimum age of 16 or 18.
(2) Give tertiary-study scholarships to enthusiastic but poor individuals who show promise, from <i>all</i> communities - with number of scholarships based on community size in each region.
Indians are not stupid. There are soooo many bright kids in all Indian communities. So if their parents are too poor to get them into college, then such scholarships will ensure that the brilliant amongst them get their fair chance, and more than that, not waste their talent and brain by dwindling into obscurity.
It is important that such scholarships are indeed based on the economic status of the student, their enthusiasm (ready interest and willingness in doing tertiary study, no point if they'd rather immediately embark on acting, say) and capability (getting the grades required for entry into a course). The passing grades should be uniform for all, they should not be entry-grades based on community background as it is now, that's merely degrading to everyone concerned. No one is stupid, stop treating people as such, it's just offensive.
But, as the number of scholarships per community is dependent on the size of a community, none will be badly off.
The above will ensure that all Indian communities (though I really care only for the non-christoislamics, but one must be fair) are given a fair chance, are well-represented at tertiary institutions and will thrive in whatever field they choose without wasting their intelligence and education-related gifts. Those who are interested in pursuing tertiary education will most certainly take the opportunity given them and they will do well, because they are self-motivated (enthusiastic) and they already have the grades required for the courses they want to enrol in.
There need be no quotas then, just government sponsored scholarships made available to the deserving who want to seize it. In subsequent generations, there can be community-sponsored scholarships to help more people of one's own community into tertiary education if people see more bright individuals amongst themselves who can do with a bit of help.
ADDED: It would be even better if we had general Hindu organisations collecting funds for scholarships to sponsor as many poor students as possible regardless of community background.
Best of all, Harijan communities (and now the government has added 'OBCs' too) won't be treated as if they are somehow inept at getting to where they deserve to be and need to be planted there by the government.
Their presence will be representative at all universities - major universities or the more regional ones. They will know they have got there by their own hard work and they'll also know they are finally being treated as equals instead of as people about whom the politicians think they could never have made it on their own.
Yes, it will require a lot of government funds. Just take it away from the politicians, and raid some terrorists to confiscate their stash (including Dawood), for instance. But the more important question is, will the 'Indian' government implement it? What? And let certain Indian communities actually get educated so they stop voting for propagandists and pseculars and stop believing the media and missionaries? Never! Keep them angry, keep them inadequately educated is the psecular government's motto. So too the beeb's. And hence bbc's barely-veiled support for the latest quota scheme proposal.
<b>ADDED:</b>
Mistake in the above:
Forgot that wealth is not equally distributed across communities in India (and that even then, the same community might be economically worse off in one state than the same community in the neighbouring state). So number of scholarships available for community must be calculated from the account total number of *economically disadvantaged* (as regards financing college for their child) in each community in each region. Merely calculating it based on the community size, as I wrongly stated above, will not be useful.
That's because the problem is two-fold: (1) economically underprivileged people have no access to study; and (2) some communities have not yet been made to feel sufficiently confident about themselves to be comfortable in taking their options concerning tertiary education - scholarships will help in fixing this.
(2 was certainly true when my grandfather was teaching. He had to convince parents from some communities in a neighbouring village that they were most worthwhile and their children equally deserving of the education he wanted to impart.)
Anyways, after two or three generations, this can then be simplified to government scholarships being granted based only on the ecomonic factor and the interest shown by the student to continue their studies. It no longer needs to be community-based then, because at that point all communities would have regained confidence in seeing tertiary study as accessible to them and would have made higher education common-place 'tradition' in families once more.
Mudy see how the news contained in your post 137 (above) has now been twisted by the bbc when it turned its jaundiced little eyeball to it. I don't even know what to highlight - there's so much double-speak and brainwashing in there it is just a marvel-piece more than anything.
Note the subtle use of language too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6505791.stm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thursday, 29 March 2007, 10:38 GMT 11:38 UKÂ
<b>Court blocks Indian quota plans</b>
(As if the Indian court is somehow separate from India)
Â
(BBC has put up 'related' links underneath an image of students protesting
India's colleges and quotas
Despair of the Dalits
Â
India's Supreme Court has put on hold controversial plans to boost places for lower-caste and other disadvantaged people in colleges and universities.
Under the government's affirmative action plan the lower castes' share of places in educational institutions would more than double to nearly 50%.
(Just in case the reader didn't realise that the BBC thinks such quotas are a good thing, off goes the beeb and refers to it as 'affirmative action' to tie it up with how America is trying to pay off its debt to African Americans)
Correspondents say the move has split the country, with many arguing it could hurt India's rapid economic rise.
But it has the support of millions of students from underprivileged groups.
The plan to increase affirmative action quotas has been bitterly opposed by students at some of the country's best-known professional colleges
The court told the government to put the programme on hold until August.
It said the government needed to provide fresh data on lower castes - also known as Other Backward Castes or OBCs in official language - because it said it found the present data too old.
The 27% seat allocation is based on the population of OBCs in India, according to the census carried out in 1931.
Correspondents say the ruling is likely to provoke strong emotions among the people who support reservations and rejoicing among those who have been campaigning against the government attempts to introduce the measure.
<b>Fruit of growth</b>
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said his government is committed to removing iniquities so that everyone can enjoy the fruit of India's economic growth.
(Words are all these pseculars and their media have. MMS puts together some flowery words which sound proper and right. But that's all there is to them. There is no equality or even sense in his actual proposals.)
The government has recently pushed a bill through parliament in which places at some of the country's best-known professional colleges are set aside for students from lower-caste and disadvantaged communities.
And it is considering asking the private sector to institute some kind of affirmative action and also extend the benefit to the country's Muslim minority.
(Let's see how the Beeb likes it if there were a push for 'affirmative action' quotas for the 'downtrodden' islamoterrorist minority in the UK. Oh, but that would be considered a totally <i>different</i> matter, no doubt.)
A recent study suggested that India's Muslims were economically and socially worse off than Dalits.
(BBC feels the need to parrot this piece of tripe like it's true. In some states muslims are better off than all Hindus, as IF members have shown, but that would be something no bbc 'report' would ever want to admit let alone mention.)
But the move is being opposed by many who feel that it will lower standards and endanger India's economic growth.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Reliable colonial mouthpiece, the beeb. According to them, the 'dalits' are too unintelligent that they need this ridiculous new quota system. What, are they implying Harijan communities can't get there on their own hard labours?
What I think a proper government in India should do is
(1) ensure that everyone gets (non-madrassa, non-psecular, non-dawaganda) education until minimum age of 16 or 18.
(2) Give tertiary-study scholarships to enthusiastic but poor individuals who show promise, from <i>all</i> communities - with number of scholarships based on community size in each region.
Indians are not stupid. There are soooo many bright kids in all Indian communities. So if their parents are too poor to get them into college, then such scholarships will ensure that the brilliant amongst them get their fair chance, and more than that, not waste their talent and brain by dwindling into obscurity.
It is important that such scholarships are indeed based on the economic status of the student, their enthusiasm (ready interest and willingness in doing tertiary study, no point if they'd rather immediately embark on acting, say) and capability (getting the grades required for entry into a course). The passing grades should be uniform for all, they should not be entry-grades based on community background as it is now, that's merely degrading to everyone concerned. No one is stupid, stop treating people as such, it's just offensive.
But, as the number of scholarships per community is dependent on the size of a community, none will be badly off.
The above will ensure that all Indian communities (though I really care only for the non-christoislamics, but one must be fair) are given a fair chance, are well-represented at tertiary institutions and will thrive in whatever field they choose without wasting their intelligence and education-related gifts. Those who are interested in pursuing tertiary education will most certainly take the opportunity given them and they will do well, because they are self-motivated (enthusiastic) and they already have the grades required for the courses they want to enrol in.
There need be no quotas then, just government sponsored scholarships made available to the deserving who want to seize it. In subsequent generations, there can be community-sponsored scholarships to help more people of one's own community into tertiary education if people see more bright individuals amongst themselves who can do with a bit of help.
ADDED: It would be even better if we had general Hindu organisations collecting funds for scholarships to sponsor as many poor students as possible regardless of community background.
Best of all, Harijan communities (and now the government has added 'OBCs' too) won't be treated as if they are somehow inept at getting to where they deserve to be and need to be planted there by the government.
Their presence will be representative at all universities - major universities or the more regional ones. They will know they have got there by their own hard work and they'll also know they are finally being treated as equals instead of as people about whom the politicians think they could never have made it on their own.
Yes, it will require a lot of government funds. Just take it away from the politicians, and raid some terrorists to confiscate their stash (including Dawood), for instance. But the more important question is, will the 'Indian' government implement it? What? And let certain Indian communities actually get educated so they stop voting for propagandists and pseculars and stop believing the media and missionaries? Never! Keep them angry, keep them inadequately educated is the psecular government's motto. So too the beeb's. And hence bbc's barely-veiled support for the latest quota scheme proposal.
<b>ADDED:</b>
Mistake in the above:
Forgot that wealth is not equally distributed across communities in India (and that even then, the same community might be economically worse off in one state than the same community in the neighbouring state). So number of scholarships available for community must be calculated from the account total number of *economically disadvantaged* (as regards financing college for their child) in each community in each region. Merely calculating it based on the community size, as I wrongly stated above, will not be useful.
That's because the problem is two-fold: (1) economically underprivileged people have no access to study; and (2) some communities have not yet been made to feel sufficiently confident about themselves to be comfortable in taking their options concerning tertiary education - scholarships will help in fixing this.
(2 was certainly true when my grandfather was teaching. He had to convince parents from some communities in a neighbouring village that they were most worthwhile and their children equally deserving of the education he wanted to impart.)
Anyways, after two or three generations, this can then be simplified to government scholarships being granted based only on the ecomonic factor and the interest shown by the student to continue their studies. It no longer needs to be community-based then, because at that point all communities would have regained confidence in seeing tertiary study as accessible to them and would have made higher education common-place 'tradition' in families once more.