Continued from last post.
The next misunderstanding can be found reflected in this:
(2) "Indians who are not inclusive of other Gods must be considered anti-national":
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Hinduism never state it has monopoly on truth or God. According to Hinduism, God & truth are universal.
Rig Veda states: 'ekam sat viprah bahudaa vadanti' â¦meaning Truth or God is one but learnt men describe it in many ways.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Anyone who attempts to upset that equality by preaching the supremacy of one God over the other is anti-national and must be opposed as an assault on the constitution. Organized or forced Conversion (or conversion by its Islamic name "reversion") is sedition.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->See what I've coloured blue in your excerpt. This is what I'll be discussing.
You're saying nothing new, nor anything that can ever <i>be</i> (barring wholesale change of christoislamism which would result in the religions themselves ceasing to exist as such in all essentials).
This is what the recent generations of Hindus and most Hindus today, including the BJP have been saying forever w.r.t. christoislamism. They all insist that 'All Gods are the same' and extend this to include the christoislamic deities. In their ignorance of christoislamism, these same Hindus then expect the christoislamics to reciprocate and are then surprised to find that most christians and muslims in India (with the exception of those who'd be considered heretical by their own kind) do not. The Hindu considers the non-reciprocation as anti-national.
It is not anti-national. It is merely anti-Hindu. It is anti-anything that is not christoislamic.
Christoislamics claim it as their fundamental right to follow their gods: their gods as they are defined and characterised by their scriptures. It is in these scriptures, where we find their deities declaring the imperative, the fundamental <i>commandment</i>, 'Thou shalt have no other Gods before me'. If they go against that, they become heathens, kafirs, worthy not only of being persecuted by their own for heresy and apostasy, but also of eternal punishment by their deity for forsaking his most primary injunction.
So when you, as other Hindus have done, expect christoislamics to not "upset that equality (of all Gods) by preaching the supremacy of one God over the other" you are in effect saying that the christoislamics must renounce their god, by relinquishing adherence to the most basic beliefs pertaining to their deity. You are asking them to commit the <b>Number One Sin</b> against their gods (by tolerating/recognising other Gods as equals), for which there is no absolution in their religion.
And when you declare that if they do not accept all Gods as equal "it is anti-national and must be opposed", you are in effect opposing their 'freedom of religion' and basically declaring war on them. You give them no choice but to oppose you.
They insist on the 'right' of proclaiming one god (and one son or one prophet) and that all others are false - it is the foundation of their religion, after all. They insist on the right to proclaim that all those who do not see the matter in the same way are in fact opposing their god, are heathens, are kafirs - that they must be converted (a fundamental duty in christianity which christians in India claim as a religious right), that all the dar-ul-harbs must be made dar-ul-islams (fundamental duty in islam).
<b>If you do not understand what I am saying, then you do not understand christianity/islam.</b> Note that this is not a matter on which one can agree or disagree (not an opinion), but a factual matter: it's either right or wrong. In this case, what I've written happens to be right.
Only heretic christians and muslims would side with us. (And some do, but only because such people are governed by their conscience; and not by their religion as is expected of them. They are unsaved kafirs already and their religion accords them the same fate as it does us: eternal hell.)
This misunderstanding of the most basic functionings of christoislamism is something I find most Hindus have. Due to lack of exposure to the basic ideas of christoislamism, Hindus have a mindset that simply does not understand christoislamism and why it results in the phenomena we see, why it expects the 'rights' it does ('right' to evangelise, 'right' to proclaim Only allah, and death to idolators), why its followers behave the way they do (all throughout history).
This is why BJP and Hindus can talk of anti-national 'EJs' and 'IJs' all they want, but it will accomplish nothing. Because in the end it is the christoislamic religion itself that is the brick wall. The buck stops there. What is required is an understanding of that religion, rather than the blind assumption by Hindus that it works the way our religion does.
Hindus should stop presuming and start learning, or else we'll forever be talking about things we don't understand because we never bothered to. Making assumptions about such grave matters is dangerous: will lead to waste of time, misidentifying problems, not seeing the actual problem, non-applicable 'solutions', misconceptions all around. Continued ignorance is often what leads to further conversions.
The next misunderstanding can be found reflected in this:
(2) "Indians who are not inclusive of other Gods must be considered anti-national":
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Hinduism never state it has monopoly on truth or God. According to Hinduism, God & truth are universal.
Rig Veda states: 'ekam sat viprah bahudaa vadanti' â¦meaning Truth or God is one but learnt men describe it in many ways.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Anyone who attempts to upset that equality by preaching the supremacy of one God over the other is anti-national and must be opposed as an assault on the constitution. Organized or forced Conversion (or conversion by its Islamic name "reversion") is sedition.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->See what I've coloured blue in your excerpt. This is what I'll be discussing.
You're saying nothing new, nor anything that can ever <i>be</i> (barring wholesale change of christoislamism which would result in the religions themselves ceasing to exist as such in all essentials).
This is what the recent generations of Hindus and most Hindus today, including the BJP have been saying forever w.r.t. christoislamism. They all insist that 'All Gods are the same' and extend this to include the christoislamic deities. In their ignorance of christoislamism, these same Hindus then expect the christoislamics to reciprocate and are then surprised to find that most christians and muslims in India (with the exception of those who'd be considered heretical by their own kind) do not. The Hindu considers the non-reciprocation as anti-national.
It is not anti-national. It is merely anti-Hindu. It is anti-anything that is not christoislamic.
Christoislamics claim it as their fundamental right to follow their gods: their gods as they are defined and characterised by their scriptures. It is in these scriptures, where we find their deities declaring the imperative, the fundamental <i>commandment</i>, 'Thou shalt have no other Gods before me'. If they go against that, they become heathens, kafirs, worthy not only of being persecuted by their own for heresy and apostasy, but also of eternal punishment by their deity for forsaking his most primary injunction.
So when you, as other Hindus have done, expect christoislamics to not "upset that equality (of all Gods) by preaching the supremacy of one God over the other" you are in effect saying that the christoislamics must renounce their god, by relinquishing adherence to the most basic beliefs pertaining to their deity. You are asking them to commit the <b>Number One Sin</b> against their gods (by tolerating/recognising other Gods as equals), for which there is no absolution in their religion.
And when you declare that if they do not accept all Gods as equal "it is anti-national and must be opposed", you are in effect opposing their 'freedom of religion' and basically declaring war on them. You give them no choice but to oppose you.
They insist on the 'right' of proclaiming one god (and one son or one prophet) and that all others are false - it is the foundation of their religion, after all. They insist on the right to proclaim that all those who do not see the matter in the same way are in fact opposing their god, are heathens, are kafirs - that they must be converted (a fundamental duty in christianity which christians in India claim as a religious right), that all the dar-ul-harbs must be made dar-ul-islams (fundamental duty in islam).
<b>If you do not understand what I am saying, then you do not understand christianity/islam.</b> Note that this is not a matter on which one can agree or disagree (not an opinion), but a factual matter: it's either right or wrong. In this case, what I've written happens to be right.
Only heretic christians and muslims would side with us. (And some do, but only because such people are governed by their conscience; and not by their religion as is expected of them. They are unsaved kafirs already and their religion accords them the same fate as it does us: eternal hell.)
This misunderstanding of the most basic functionings of christoislamism is something I find most Hindus have. Due to lack of exposure to the basic ideas of christoislamism, Hindus have a mindset that simply does not understand christoislamism and why it results in the phenomena we see, why it expects the 'rights' it does ('right' to evangelise, 'right' to proclaim Only allah, and death to idolators), why its followers behave the way they do (all throughout history).
This is why BJP and Hindus can talk of anti-national 'EJs' and 'IJs' all they want, but it will accomplish nothing. Because in the end it is the christoislamic religion itself that is the brick wall. The buck stops there. What is required is an understanding of that religion, rather than the blind assumption by Hindus that it works the way our religion does.
Hindus should stop presuming and start learning, or else we'll forever be talking about things we don't understand because we never bothered to. Making assumptions about such grave matters is dangerous: will lead to waste of time, misidentifying problems, not seeing the actual problem, non-applicable 'solutions', misconceptions all around. Continued ignorance is often what leads to further conversions.