04-20-2007, 11:32 PM
1. <!--QuoteBegin-sengotuvel+Apr 19 2007, 09:09 PM-->QUOTE(sengotuvel @ Apr 19 2007, 09:09 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> If we were to argue that Allah/Jehovah are not Gods at all, then how is the Hindu viewpoint any different from Allah saying "There is no God but me" and all other "Gods" are false.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I knew you would revert this way... I am & was not saying Allah and Jehvoahs are not Gods at all.. I was meaning, that their teachings are anti-teachings of Hindu-way-of-living (i.e., more naturalism, Sanatana Dharma, etc). My contention was to keep it different, since Jeusus an Allah followers wants it that way.. its their choice, and hence we accept them to be different and not force them to follow SD. But, we need to ensure SD being pure, hence all the more importance to keep those orthogonal religious teachings away from SD. But, if they come in reverse, and accept SD-ic concepts, then we should be more than open minded.. imho.
2. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->- I think you are misinterpreting the Hindu concept of "God" (as being the same as oneness/unity) to serve a particular narrow need to reject Allah and Yahweh. I believe that is wrong.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No.. I am not, based on my previous (1), it should be clear what background I was thinking.. it is just to keep things simplified.. when we try to accept teachings that are entirely opposite and hence disqualifies to be following SD. Hence, I would request, its an interpretation that should not be wronged either by SD followers and those who are against SD., just to keep it going in the fight against the principle stand.
3.<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"closing of the mind"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree. Its for the health of of "not closing the mind", I charted on the big "NO" to accept those teachings that encourages "closing of mind(CoM)". Lets calling "Anti-CoM" movement, instead of "OoM".. as it could sound more hinduish(AuM), perhaps internalize with that sounding. The point is to ensure, we have a theme, a theory that is not corrupted by foreign factors.. just because we have to accept those factors being part of the open mind theory., or a theory of everything. This stance, is just to convert all closed minds to open minds.
4. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vivekananda again is one of the few people we can rely on as a basis for coping with the flood of questions.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess, that was because, Hindu way of life was attacked, and people were totally disturbed in the "way of live". there existed no congregation of people to discuss and continue on the SD path. Think just like the "Internet", where we can join in. During the invasion periods, we lost this join delibreations of carrying Hinduism forward.. Its only after Independence, and further on after the demise of Gandhi-family (congress culture), that we have started to unify, again tyring to bring back our way of life to normal hinduism as was before invasions, and continue from there, and infact to better it and augment it.
5. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I do not want to derail this thread...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I understand.. but I wanted to ensure, that you dont misunderstand me. I am not a good writer, and can't put those beautiful words into shape that reflects exactly what is in my mind. I 'll try though.
bottom line: Lets not accept "closed minded" theories into an overall expanding "open minded" hinduism. Just to keep it pure., and the survival of such. For implementations, we need certain wall to make it survive (thank you India to a certain extent), but we need a fort now, especially for those vulnerable class who are easily carried away due to their economic state, and become Allahic or Ejihic.
We could have better platform for more narrations to (be)come.
I knew you would revert this way... I am & was not saying Allah and Jehvoahs are not Gods at all.. I was meaning, that their teachings are anti-teachings of Hindu-way-of-living (i.e., more naturalism, Sanatana Dharma, etc). My contention was to keep it different, since Jeusus an Allah followers wants it that way.. its their choice, and hence we accept them to be different and not force them to follow SD. But, we need to ensure SD being pure, hence all the more importance to keep those orthogonal religious teachings away from SD. But, if they come in reverse, and accept SD-ic concepts, then we should be more than open minded.. imho.
2. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->- I think you are misinterpreting the Hindu concept of "God" (as being the same as oneness/unity) to serve a particular narrow need to reject Allah and Yahweh. I believe that is wrong.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No.. I am not, based on my previous (1), it should be clear what background I was thinking.. it is just to keep things simplified.. when we try to accept teachings that are entirely opposite and hence disqualifies to be following SD. Hence, I would request, its an interpretation that should not be wronged either by SD followers and those who are against SD., just to keep it going in the fight against the principle stand.
3.<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"closing of the mind"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree. Its for the health of of "not closing the mind", I charted on the big "NO" to accept those teachings that encourages "closing of mind(CoM)". Lets calling "Anti-CoM" movement, instead of "OoM".. as it could sound more hinduish(AuM), perhaps internalize with that sounding. The point is to ensure, we have a theme, a theory that is not corrupted by foreign factors.. just because we have to accept those factors being part of the open mind theory., or a theory of everything. This stance, is just to convert all closed minds to open minds.
4. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vivekananda again is one of the few people we can rely on as a basis for coping with the flood of questions.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess, that was because, Hindu way of life was attacked, and people were totally disturbed in the "way of live". there existed no congregation of people to discuss and continue on the SD path. Think just like the "Internet", where we can join in. During the invasion periods, we lost this join delibreations of carrying Hinduism forward.. Its only after Independence, and further on after the demise of Gandhi-family (congress culture), that we have started to unify, again tyring to bring back our way of life to normal hinduism as was before invasions, and continue from there, and infact to better it and augment it.
5. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I do not want to derail this thread...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I understand.. but I wanted to ensure, that you dont misunderstand me. I am not a good writer, and can't put those beautiful words into shape that reflects exactly what is in my mind. I 'll try though.
bottom line: Lets not accept "closed minded" theories into an overall expanding "open minded" hinduism. Just to keep it pure., and the survival of such. For implementations, we need certain wall to make it survive (thank you India to a certain extent), but we need a fort now, especially for those vulnerable class who are easily carried away due to their economic state, and become Allahic or Ejihic.
We could have better platform for more narrations to (be)come.