04-21-2007, 07:37 AM
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Shiv, It could be that first generation half converts are failures for the converted religion. But the next generations will be totally lost from the Hinduism point of view. Most muslims in india are converts from Hinduism. Probably the first converts were half converts. Does that make any difference now?
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In fact it does make a difference- but there is no sense in my trying to force my experience down your throat or vice versa. We don't have poll statitistics (nobody has polled this sort of thing) and we have to depend on subjective observations.
However I see your point. But unless we can convert Hindu belief into an impermeable "oil droplet" that does not allow the soakage of other belief systems (like Islam and to an extent Chritsianity) there is no getting around this problem other than depending on the superior ability of Hinduism to offer alternative worldview choices to disgruntled and unhappy Muslims and Christians.
The ability to soak up, accommodate and subversively bend other belief systems is Hinduism's USP (unique selling point) and the lack of a coherent Hindu narrative has kept this away from the population of the world at large. But again - I am digressing from the point of this thread.
There are two separate issues at stake. One is to make a saleable Hindu narrative to attack and occupy the world with the freedom of thought that it provides. That is the discussion in the other thread.
This thread is to look at chinks in the armor of Evanjihadism that can be exploited by various means - including legal action.
Shiv, It could be that first generation half converts are failures for the converted religion. But the next generations will be totally lost from the Hinduism point of view. Most muslims in india are converts from Hinduism. Probably the first converts were half converts. Does that make any difference now?
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In fact it does make a difference- but there is no sense in my trying to force my experience down your throat or vice versa. We don't have poll statitistics (nobody has polled this sort of thing) and we have to depend on subjective observations.
However I see your point. But unless we can convert Hindu belief into an impermeable "oil droplet" that does not allow the soakage of other belief systems (like Islam and to an extent Chritsianity) there is no getting around this problem other than depending on the superior ability of Hinduism to offer alternative worldview choices to disgruntled and unhappy Muslims and Christians.
The ability to soak up, accommodate and subversively bend other belief systems is Hinduism's USP (unique selling point) and the lack of a coherent Hindu narrative has kept this away from the population of the world at large. But again - I am digressing from the point of this thread.
There are two separate issues at stake. One is to make a saleable Hindu narrative to attack and occupy the world with the freedom of thought that it provides. That is the discussion in the other thread.
This thread is to look at chinks in the armor of Evanjihadism that can be exploited by various means - including legal action.