04-22-2007, 07:50 AM
I would like to bring up another point as a feeling I have had that I am unable to flesh out completely - replete with examples and all.
When you state something that is anti-Christian, it gets dubbed as hate speech.
However, Hindus, with their "tolerance" (or subjugation??) have allowed a litany of negative references about Hindus and Hinduism to become so commonplace that these have become "acceptable" and do not qualify as "hate speech".
So this is the "handicap" that history has created for Hindu viewpoint.
These thoughts basically explain the two threads because of what I believe are two issues that need general attention
1) The unashamed telling of a Hindus story - "narrative" if you will, in order to document and inform, and also to deliberately spread the narrative so that it starts inviting adverse comment from the usual quarters who do not want it to be seen or heard.
The "Hindu narrative" is on the other thread and I believe the narrative is important because it is actually innocuous and not aimed at anyone else. Even that has been suppressed - but no more. It's telling will also bring out the worms from the woodwork.
2) The second "issue" is what this thread, and this post is about. Part of the handicap that now acts against Hindus is the need to continuously behave as if anything Christian is always good. A deviation from this path is "hate speech" and it invites like an avalanche, a whole load of carefully prepared and nurtured hate speech against Hindus to which we are not supposed to object. We are not supposed to call it hate speech - partly because these things have become "common knowledge" about egregious Hindus and they have never called it hate speech before - so how can guilty Hindus now start calling "established knowledge" as "hate speech"?
Anyone who now criticizes anything about Christianity is automatically "Hindutva-right wing - fundamentalist - forward caste suppressor of minorities- murderer of Graham Staines and Muslims in Gujarat"
It is interesting how religious Christian organizations act like a sieve to collect up news and information that is derogatory to Hindus and then "string them up" like a garland of thorns to form an alternate Hindu narrative that is hung around the neck of every Hindus who dares to object to anything in the Christian narrative. This is a carefully practised and nurtured art, and you can see the manner in which "new thorns" have been added to the garland in the form of Graham Staines and post Godhra action.
There is a lesson in this for us - in that the alternate anti-Hindu narrative used to smear Hindus is a living and dynamic beast that adds information every day and makes the thorny garland bigger and heavier. This is worth emulating.
To me this means that we cannot rest on old existing information about Christian excesses in history, but need to actively collect up snippets of new information to make an alternate garland of thorns to place around the neck of evangelists and John Dayals of the world - a garland that gets bigger and better known every day by constant repetition. It is well worth using this thread to create the first garland of thorns based on both historic info as well as contemporary news about Christiian excesses and intolerance.
The garland should be snippets of information that are strung together and repeated endlessly just like we are treated to "Hindutva-right wing - fundamentalist - forward caste suppressor of minorities- murderer of Graham Staines and Muslims in Gujarat"
All the old stories about Christian murders and mayhem are part and parcel of this alternate narrative/garland of thorns, but need to be added to other stories, including celibacy-pederasty, orgy stories.
This will, of course, be called "hate speech" but in fact do not even constitute a fraction of the volume and duration of insults that are heaped on and continue to be heaped on Hindus as a matter of "common knowledge". Hindu opinion and sensitivity are looked down with so much derision that they do not count at all.
I think a bit of the same medicine is required to be forced down some peaceful and loving throats.
When you state something that is anti-Christian, it gets dubbed as hate speech.
However, Hindus, with their "tolerance" (or subjugation??) have allowed a litany of negative references about Hindus and Hinduism to become so commonplace that these have become "acceptable" and do not qualify as "hate speech".
So this is the "handicap" that history has created for Hindu viewpoint.
These thoughts basically explain the two threads because of what I believe are two issues that need general attention
1) The unashamed telling of a Hindus story - "narrative" if you will, in order to document and inform, and also to deliberately spread the narrative so that it starts inviting adverse comment from the usual quarters who do not want it to be seen or heard.
The "Hindu narrative" is on the other thread and I believe the narrative is important because it is actually innocuous and not aimed at anyone else. Even that has been suppressed - but no more. It's telling will also bring out the worms from the woodwork.
2) The second "issue" is what this thread, and this post is about. Part of the handicap that now acts against Hindus is the need to continuously behave as if anything Christian is always good. A deviation from this path is "hate speech" and it invites like an avalanche, a whole load of carefully prepared and nurtured hate speech against Hindus to which we are not supposed to object. We are not supposed to call it hate speech - partly because these things have become "common knowledge" about egregious Hindus and they have never called it hate speech before - so how can guilty Hindus now start calling "established knowledge" as "hate speech"?
Anyone who now criticizes anything about Christianity is automatically "Hindutva-right wing - fundamentalist - forward caste suppressor of minorities- murderer of Graham Staines and Muslims in Gujarat"
It is interesting how religious Christian organizations act like a sieve to collect up news and information that is derogatory to Hindus and then "string them up" like a garland of thorns to form an alternate Hindu narrative that is hung around the neck of every Hindus who dares to object to anything in the Christian narrative. This is a carefully practised and nurtured art, and you can see the manner in which "new thorns" have been added to the garland in the form of Graham Staines and post Godhra action.
There is a lesson in this for us - in that the alternate anti-Hindu narrative used to smear Hindus is a living and dynamic beast that adds information every day and makes the thorny garland bigger and heavier. This is worth emulating.
To me this means that we cannot rest on old existing information about Christian excesses in history, but need to actively collect up snippets of new information to make an alternate garland of thorns to place around the neck of evangelists and John Dayals of the world - a garland that gets bigger and better known every day by constant repetition. It is well worth using this thread to create the first garland of thorns based on both historic info as well as contemporary news about Christiian excesses and intolerance.
The garland should be snippets of information that are strung together and repeated endlessly just like we are treated to "Hindutva-right wing - fundamentalist - forward caste suppressor of minorities- murderer of Graham Staines and Muslims in Gujarat"
All the old stories about Christian murders and mayhem are part and parcel of this alternate narrative/garland of thorns, but need to be added to other stories, including celibacy-pederasty, orgy stories.
This will, of course, be called "hate speech" but in fact do not even constitute a fraction of the volume and duration of insults that are heaped on and continue to be heaped on Hindus as a matter of "common knowledge". Hindu opinion and sensitivity are looked down with so much derision that they do not count at all.
I think a bit of the same medicine is required to be forced down some peaceful and loving throats.