05-18-2007, 09:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-sengotuvel+May 17 2007, 03:10 PM-->QUOTE(sengotuvel @ May 17 2007, 03:10 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ultimately - and no matter how painful the truth may be, lies are not allowed in Hinduism. Lies and untruth are the path to ignorance. The religion is old enough to be very comprehensive in its depth and breadth, but has had the time to mature and come up with stunning summaries of what it's all about.
I am referring to:
Asatoma sadgamaya (lead me from a-sat, untruth, to satya (truth)
Tamasoma jyotirgamaya (lead me from tamas, darkness, to jyoti, light)
mrutyorma amritamgamaya (lead me from mrityu, death/mortality, to a-mrita (immortality)
Lies may require to be told, but your ultimate goal is via no lies. Untruth will only get you as far as hudaibiya got anyone.
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Hmm..
Actually, the Mahabharatha's Yudhistra & Ashwathama episode is actually misunderstood.
The point there, as explained by Purva_Acharyas is as follows:
Man is supposed to live by the rules of Dharma.
However, at one stage of Spiritual progress, Dharma ceases to exist as cardinal, and the ultimate aim of Salvation becomes supreme.
For highly realised souls, very near to the object of realisation, Dharma becomes an impediment, they have to reject Dharma and TRANSCEND it, because Dharma belongs to this realm.
In Bhakthi tradition, at advanced stages of Bhakthi, one does not observe the rules of society, tradition or mundane dharma after reaching a stage of unpolluted, unrestrained love for God.
The love of Gopis for Lord Krishna is one such example, their love was more supreme than their obligations of faithfulness to their own husbands. Their love 'transcended' even the supreme Dharma of their 'wifehoods'.
Similarly, Yudhistra was given a chance by Lord Krishna to stop giving supreme allegiance to Dharma, give up his high stool and just spontaneously do whatever is to be done for the SOLE PLEASURE OF THE LORD.
This is the supreme aim of a Bhakta, to do anything and everything for the singular aim of his Lord's pleasure.
In Saiva traditions, there are many examples where Lord Siva is pleased more by the devotion of his devotees even when they had committed sacrilages.
Kannapa Nayanar (Thinnar), one of the four Navar in Saiva Siddhanta is another example.
Truth in this material world is not supreme since it is tainted by time. In this material world, truth is modified and conditioned by many factors like relevance, observership, relativity, authority of many scriptures, etc.
Therefore any 'Truth' in this material manifestation is only a 'shadow' of the Supreme and cannot be said to be ultimate.
The Upanishadis verse on Sat refers clearly to the Lord himself, not to any abstract quality like truth. It is representative of Knowledge and realization. It is an english error to translate Sat as truth.
Similarly, the verse Satyamevajayathe translated into Truth alone triumphs is very wrong. (as per an Authority on Scriptures, not my own opinion) Falsehood by its own nature has not existence. Only truth exists, so there is no question of triumph. A non existent entity can never challenge an existence.
It should actually read: God-Knowledge alone triumphs
Hope I am faithful to the traditions, all mistakes are mine.
I am referring to:
Asatoma sadgamaya (lead me from a-sat, untruth, to satya (truth)
Tamasoma jyotirgamaya (lead me from tamas, darkness, to jyoti, light)
mrutyorma amritamgamaya (lead me from mrityu, death/mortality, to a-mrita (immortality)
Lies may require to be told, but your ultimate goal is via no lies. Untruth will only get you as far as hudaibiya got anyone.
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Hmm..
Actually, the Mahabharatha's Yudhistra & Ashwathama episode is actually misunderstood.
The point there, as explained by Purva_Acharyas is as follows:
Man is supposed to live by the rules of Dharma.
However, at one stage of Spiritual progress, Dharma ceases to exist as cardinal, and the ultimate aim of Salvation becomes supreme.
For highly realised souls, very near to the object of realisation, Dharma becomes an impediment, they have to reject Dharma and TRANSCEND it, because Dharma belongs to this realm.
In Bhakthi tradition, at advanced stages of Bhakthi, one does not observe the rules of society, tradition or mundane dharma after reaching a stage of unpolluted, unrestrained love for God.
The love of Gopis for Lord Krishna is one such example, their love was more supreme than their obligations of faithfulness to their own husbands. Their love 'transcended' even the supreme Dharma of their 'wifehoods'.
Similarly, Yudhistra was given a chance by Lord Krishna to stop giving supreme allegiance to Dharma, give up his high stool and just spontaneously do whatever is to be done for the SOLE PLEASURE OF THE LORD.
This is the supreme aim of a Bhakta, to do anything and everything for the singular aim of his Lord's pleasure.
In Saiva traditions, there are many examples where Lord Siva is pleased more by the devotion of his devotees even when they had committed sacrilages.
Kannapa Nayanar (Thinnar), one of the four Navar in Saiva Siddhanta is another example.
Truth in this material world is not supreme since it is tainted by time. In this material world, truth is modified and conditioned by many factors like relevance, observership, relativity, authority of many scriptures, etc.
Therefore any 'Truth' in this material manifestation is only a 'shadow' of the Supreme and cannot be said to be ultimate.
The Upanishadis verse on Sat refers clearly to the Lord himself, not to any abstract quality like truth. It is representative of Knowledge and realization. It is an english error to translate Sat as truth.
Similarly, the verse Satyamevajayathe translated into Truth alone triumphs is very wrong. (as per an Authority on Scriptures, not my own opinion) Falsehood by its own nature has not existence. Only truth exists, so there is no question of triumph. A non existent entity can never challenge an existence.
It should actually read: God-Knowledge alone triumphs
Hope I am faithful to the traditions, all mistakes are mine.