05-28-2007, 04:24 AM
http://www.svabhinava.org/AITvsOIT/index.php
Some historians say that IE people came from Sinthashta culture from caspian sea,betwin 2200-1400 bc.At that time Europe had a population of 5-7 milion and India 10 milion,while central asia had 2 milion people.So at best this Sinthashta culture had (generous asumption) 0,5 milion people.So this 0.5 milion impose their language over an least 17 milion people.Can you belive this???
A linguist(his name Sorin Oltean) say to me that what matter is from which language family are the words which are use most frecvently in common speech ,the so call core words.
For exemple in hungarian,only 21% of vocabulary is finnic but this words are use whit 90% frecvency in daily speech.So hungarian is a finnic language.
And the similarites of grammatical laws betwin IE languages are so big that cant be a coincidence.While words can travel whit some ease ,the grammar change much harder.
A family language develop on a relatively small area(1000km at best),and usualy the hunther gatherers have a huge number of family languages(amerindians from USA have over 21,compare whit only 6 in europe,and same is the case in Papua-Guineea).
We have the an exemple of austronesian ,also spread on huge distances ,but this is easy to explaind,because it was a simple replace of hunthers whit farmers from southeast asia.And farmers are 10 times more numerous then animal raisers and 100 times more then hunther-gatherers!!!!!
Diferent case is whit IE where 2 regions(India and Europe) are already inhabited by numerous farming population(population of India in 1500BC is estimated at 10 milions and Europe at 5-7milion) and recent genetic show clearly that it wasnt any replace of human population in theese areas from any direction to another.
So no matter from which direction came the original IE people ,they was a minority among the natives and somehow impose their language over a (probably20 times) biger population then them selfs.A so call case of elite domination.More lands was propose as original homeland-Anatolia,Kashmir(India),central asia etc.In any model ,genetic dont suport any large replace of human population.
Some propose the multi wave theory-meaning that some wariors concore a land and convert let say 5 times more numeros natives to their languages.These natives aquiring war like atributes of their concorers and start them selfs to concore new lands.Like romans concore numerous etruscans and impose their language over them,while they adopted etruscan culture for them selfs.
In Europe can be trace a couple of invasions from Ukraine steppe (in 3500 bc,3000bc,2600bc,1800bc),which destroy the advance neolithic culture ,leading these land in small periods of dark ages.But no such distructions are found in India.Even the war betwin dasa and arya was interpreted as aryan defeating the dasa then moving to India.The arheologic Bactria -Margiana complex show sings of distruction but no signs of destruction are found in India.also this can be intrepreted that aryans are original from India and defeat the iranian(?) dasa.
Usualy IE people in Europe can be trace as having a eastern origin.Greek tradition say that they came from the north(the elite came from north or eastern steppe),celts trace them selfs as coming from cimerians(Ukraine),germans spoke of some getae origin(Jats?),Romans trace them selfs to TroY(Turkey).
Some historians say that IE people came from Sinthashta culture from caspian sea,betwin 2200-1400 bc.At that time Europe had a population of 5-7 milion and India 10 milion,while central asia had 2 milion people.So at best this Sinthashta culture had (generous asumption) 0,5 milion people.So this 0.5 milion impose their language over an least 17 milion people.Can you belive this???
A linguist(his name Sorin Oltean) say to me that what matter is from which language family are the words which are use most frecvently in common speech ,the so call core words.
For exemple in hungarian,only 21% of vocabulary is finnic but this words are use whit 90% frecvency in daily speech.So hungarian is a finnic language.
And the similarites of grammatical laws betwin IE languages are so big that cant be a coincidence.While words can travel whit some ease ,the grammar change much harder.
A family language develop on a relatively small area(1000km at best),and usualy the hunther gatherers have a huge number of family languages(amerindians from USA have over 21,compare whit only 6 in europe,and same is the case in Papua-Guineea).
We have the an exemple of austronesian ,also spread on huge distances ,but this is easy to explaind,because it was a simple replace of hunthers whit farmers from southeast asia.And farmers are 10 times more numerous then animal raisers and 100 times more then hunther-gatherers!!!!!
Diferent case is whit IE where 2 regions(India and Europe) are already inhabited by numerous farming population(population of India in 1500BC is estimated at 10 milions and Europe at 5-7milion) and recent genetic show clearly that it wasnt any replace of human population in theese areas from any direction to another.
So no matter from which direction came the original IE people ,they was a minority among the natives and somehow impose their language over a (probably20 times) biger population then them selfs.A so call case of elite domination.More lands was propose as original homeland-Anatolia,Kashmir(India),central asia etc.In any model ,genetic dont suport any large replace of human population.
Some propose the multi wave theory-meaning that some wariors concore a land and convert let say 5 times more numeros natives to their languages.These natives aquiring war like atributes of their concorers and start them selfs to concore new lands.Like romans concore numerous etruscans and impose their language over them,while they adopted etruscan culture for them selfs.
In Europe can be trace a couple of invasions from Ukraine steppe (in 3500 bc,3000bc,2600bc,1800bc),which destroy the advance neolithic culture ,leading these land in small periods of dark ages.But no such distructions are found in India.Even the war betwin dasa and arya was interpreted as aryan defeating the dasa then moving to India.The arheologic Bactria -Margiana complex show sings of distruction but no signs of destruction are found in India.also this can be intrepreted that aryans are original from India and defeat the iranian(?) dasa.
Usualy IE people in Europe can be trace as having a eastern origin.Greek tradition say that they came from the north(the elite came from north or eastern steppe),celts trace them selfs as coming from cimerians(Ukraine),germans spoke of some getae origin(Jats?),Romans trace them selfs to TroY(Turkey).