<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Jun 4 2007, 07:32 AM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 4 2007, 07:32 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->So they were Jews even before Judaism was founded in Israel by Andhras?
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Some Indians just hate being Indians and Hindus. They will jump at everything, even things that make no sense.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Only they are not even aware that they are Jews.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo--> She (Samyuktha) appears to know better than everyone: 'you don't know who you are, I will tell you who you are. Forget all you and your ancestors knew - they were delusional'. What a comedy.
And of course The Chindu would relay such nonsense - who else would?
Hopefully this Samyuktha (her parents, if Jewish as she says, temporarily had a lapse of memory when they gave her a Hindu name) will not force the 21 other families she's identified as 'not aware that they're Jews' to become Jewish.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->present Israelis belonged to Andhra Pradesh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->She and the laughable The Chindu newspaper that printed the nonsense need to produce some internationally-recognised genetics tests to prove that Israelis are more closely related to AP than the rest of India. No one will take it seriously until then.
<b>Correction:</b> about my earlier mistake on Dilmun now removed.
Dilmun was an intermediate trading partner between India and Sumer. (Language transfer via trade is very common, doesn't mean that the trading partners in India are ME.)
On Sumer, Dilmun and Indian Meluhha:
http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=Dil...nG=Search&meta=
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The missing link - Tilmun language and Telugu', said a 1794 BC stone tablet established that the Sumerian-Assyrian culture had its roots in Andhra Pradesh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->One more question. Even if true, how does this follow into Judaism? Assyria was not even friends of Israel in the eyes of early Judaic scribes. Even if the Assyrians were from AP, that doesn't make them Jewish, but using the same kind of 'logic' it would make them largely christoislamis (as they are now) or 'polytheistic idolatrous' followers of Old ME Gods as they were earlier.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopi...906c0268eb570b5
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Is this the origin Samyuktha is referring to:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The salt pillar is a word game between "melah" salt and
"Meluhha"/Amalek.</b>
That should mean, those looking back became Amalekites. We should assume the same for Benjamin, in the later story.
The Moabites and Ammonites came from incestuous rape, and the Amalekites from those disobedient to God by looking back (Lot's wife being the eponymous figure).
I assume she was Amalekite, and the salt pillar story provided the popular etymology to the name of Amalek. As Charles David Isbell underlined "there is no linguistic connection between the root M-L-X [Mem-Lamed-Het] and Amalek, Hebrew `-M-L-Q [Ayin-Mem-Lamed-Quf]". There is no need however to assume the this popular etymology was a hebrew one. It is but used in a creative manner to ilustrate in a polemyc way, what happens those turning to Amalek.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I don't know about her, but wouldn't have thought anyone would want to be accused of being an Amalekite (or a Moabite or Ammonite either for that matter) - their origin stories are pretty bad. It's like being accused of being Hamites all over again.
[right][snapback]69748[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I thought that was my line? <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Some Indians just hate being Indians and Hindus. They will jump at everything, even things that make no sense.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Only they are not even aware that they are Jews.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo--> She (Samyuktha) appears to know better than everyone: 'you don't know who you are, I will tell you who you are. Forget all you and your ancestors knew - they were delusional'. What a comedy.
And of course The Chindu would relay such nonsense - who else would?
Hopefully this Samyuktha (her parents, if Jewish as she says, temporarily had a lapse of memory when they gave her a Hindu name) will not force the 21 other families she's identified as 'not aware that they're Jews' to become Jewish.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->present Israelis belonged to Andhra Pradesh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->She and the laughable The Chindu newspaper that printed the nonsense need to produce some internationally-recognised genetics tests to prove that Israelis are more closely related to AP than the rest of India. No one will take it seriously until then.
<b>Correction:</b> about my earlier mistake on Dilmun now removed.
Dilmun was an intermediate trading partner between India and Sumer. (Language transfer via trade is very common, doesn't mean that the trading partners in India are ME.)
On Sumer, Dilmun and Indian Meluhha:
http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=Dil...nG=Search&meta=
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The missing link - Tilmun language and Telugu', said a 1794 BC stone tablet established that the Sumerian-Assyrian culture had its roots in Andhra Pradesh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->One more question. Even if true, how does this follow into Judaism? Assyria was not even friends of Israel in the eyes of early Judaic scribes. Even if the Assyrians were from AP, that doesn't make them Jewish, but using the same kind of 'logic' it would make them largely christoislamis (as they are now) or 'polytheistic idolatrous' followers of Old ME Gods as they were earlier.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopi...906c0268eb570b5
(Emphasis and colour as in original)
Is this the origin Samyuktha is referring to:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The salt pillar is a word game between "melah" salt and
"Meluhha"/Amalek.</b>
That should mean, those looking back became Amalekites. We should assume the same for Benjamin, in the later story.
The Moabites and Ammonites came from incestuous rape, and the Amalekites from those disobedient to God by looking back (Lot's wife being the eponymous figure).
I assume she was Amalekite, and the salt pillar story provided the popular etymology to the name of Amalek. As Charles David Isbell underlined "there is no linguistic connection between the root M-L-X [Mem-Lamed-Het] and Amalek, Hebrew `-M-L-Q [Ayin-Mem-Lamed-Quf]". There is no need however to assume the this popular etymology was a hebrew one. It is but used in a creative manner to ilustrate in a polemyc way, what happens those turning to Amalek.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I don't know about her, but wouldn't have thought anyone would want to be accused of being an Amalekite (or a Moabite or Ammonite either for that matter) - their origin stories are pretty bad. It's like being accused of being Hamites all over again.