07-03-2007, 06:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Jul 2 2007, 09:51 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Jul 2 2007, 09:51 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='color:red'>Should we accept the tribal gods of others?</span>
By M.S.N. Menon
It is said that the Semitic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) have a common God, that these faiths have a common source. This is yet another distortion. There is nothing common among these gods. Here is what a Jewish prophet warns the Jews: âBecause you (Jews) did not seek the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart⦠you shall serve your enemies when the Lord will send them against youâ¦.And He will put a yoke of iron upon your neck until He has destroyed you.â Mark the cruelty! The God of the Christians could never have said this.
The God of the Christians preached non-violence. He was prone to kindness, mercy, compassion and forgiveness. How can the Jewish and Christian gods be the same in these circumstances?
http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.p...pid=191&page=32
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mark the cruelty! The God of the Christians could never have said this. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes he does, he says all this and more in the OT of the same christian babble.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The God of the Christians preached non-violence. He was prone to kindness, mercy, compassion and forgiveness.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hwa? This is completely incorrect. Jeebus says he speaks in parables so that some may never understand and may never go to heaven (but will go to hell! - very compassionate, forgiving, merciful, kind and the like).
He promises to turn brother against brother, family against family. And worst of all, he goes beyond jehovah of the OT to threaten with eternal eternal <i>eternal</i> damnation (in the NT) for all those who don't accept him. Jehovah = jeebus (because of the christian 'three-is-one' rule) and hence jehovah is the one who is dangling the fictitious shadow of eternal hell over everyone unfortunate enough to hear the 'good word'.
http://freetruth.50webs.org/Overview2.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Jesus and his teachings: not the Prince of Peace
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If anyone comes to me without hating his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he can not be my disciple.
-- Jesus (Luke 14:26 NAB)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christian ethics - the doctrine of Hell:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
-- John 3:17-18<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->You are my friends if you do what I command you.
-- Jesus (John 15:14)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, we know. 'If we're not for the imaginary leader of the cult, we're against him', right? It doesn't occur to anyone that we <i>just don't care</i>. Real or unreal, he's not attractive and his best teachings are all ripoffs from Greek Philosophy, Buddhism and other religions anyway ( http://freetruth.50webs.org/B1a.htm#PaganOrigins ). Why should we care? If it were a peaceful religion, we'd have had no probs with it. But <i>even in that</i> it has failed beyond all description and redemption: christianism has brought nothing but misery, terrorism and <i>even genocide</i> to practically every population it infected and we're supposed to defend it? By the same token, we should also be defending Stalin or other villains then. Joe Steel's victims were way smaller in number; because, unlike the potential of an ideology to last forever, Stalin was but mortal. Christianism hasn't yet died in order for us to tally up all the unfortunates ground to dust between its pitiless jaws.
Praising christianity is to praise everything its ideology directly gave rise to - an act that is unconscionable.
Hindus need to stop defending christianity and its gawd. Jeebus is scarier by far than the OT-only view of the christian deity, threatening horrid eternal punishment for not believing/accepting that someone 'died for your sins'. (Not to mention how preposterous it is to have to accept such a ridiculous premise.)
At least Jewish people have an original God. He may not be what we want, but he doesn't torment them forever and that says a lot when it comes to religion these days.
Christoism could only infamously plagiarise the Judaic deity and then went and made the character infinitely despicable with the NT's infinite hell. I most certainly agree that Yahweh is not Jehovallah. But in the rest of that paragraph, Menon is mistaken.
And what is all this complimenting christianity at the expense of Judaism? The first is a terrorist religion, the second is not. Give respect to where we get respect and don't bother about the rest; instead of fawning over the christoislamic religion that has promised and reiterated that it seeks to destroy us.
And Indra is a "tribal God of the Aryans"? Which Oryans? Only the Indians and the Old Iranians (with their 'Inder') ever had Indra. Proof yet to come forth that the other peoples of the grandiose IE fable had Indra. But I'm sure that WitSSel, after speaking to his buddy arch-racist Roger Pearson, will come up with 'lingwistik proof' for the same.
By M.S.N. Menon
It is said that the Semitic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) have a common God, that these faiths have a common source. This is yet another distortion. There is nothing common among these gods. Here is what a Jewish prophet warns the Jews: âBecause you (Jews) did not seek the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart⦠you shall serve your enemies when the Lord will send them against youâ¦.And He will put a yoke of iron upon your neck until He has destroyed you.â Mark the cruelty! The God of the Christians could never have said this.
The God of the Christians preached non-violence. He was prone to kindness, mercy, compassion and forgiveness. How can the Jewish and Christian gods be the same in these circumstances?
http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.p...pid=191&page=32
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]70706[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->This bit is wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mark the cruelty! The God of the Christians could never have said this. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes he does, he says all this and more in the OT of the same christian babble.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The God of the Christians preached non-violence. He was prone to kindness, mercy, compassion and forgiveness.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hwa? This is completely incorrect. Jeebus says he speaks in parables so that some may never understand and may never go to heaven (but will go to hell! - very compassionate, forgiving, merciful, kind and the like).
He promises to turn brother against brother, family against family. And worst of all, he goes beyond jehovah of the OT to threaten with eternal eternal <i>eternal</i> damnation (in the NT) for all those who don't accept him. Jehovah = jeebus (because of the christian 'three-is-one' rule) and hence jehovah is the one who is dangling the fictitious shadow of eternal hell over everyone unfortunate enough to hear the 'good word'.
http://freetruth.50webs.org/Overview2.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Jesus and his teachings: not the Prince of Peace
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If anyone comes to me without hating his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he can not be my disciple.
-- Jesus (Luke 14:26 NAB)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christian ethics - the doctrine of Hell:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
-- John 3:17-18<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->You are my friends if you do what I command you.
-- Jesus (John 15:14)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, we know. 'If we're not for the imaginary leader of the cult, we're against him', right? It doesn't occur to anyone that we <i>just don't care</i>. Real or unreal, he's not attractive and his best teachings are all ripoffs from Greek Philosophy, Buddhism and other religions anyway ( http://freetruth.50webs.org/B1a.htm#PaganOrigins ). Why should we care? If it were a peaceful religion, we'd have had no probs with it. But <i>even in that</i> it has failed beyond all description and redemption: christianism has brought nothing but misery, terrorism and <i>even genocide</i> to practically every population it infected and we're supposed to defend it? By the same token, we should also be defending Stalin or other villains then. Joe Steel's victims were way smaller in number; because, unlike the potential of an ideology to last forever, Stalin was but mortal. Christianism hasn't yet died in order for us to tally up all the unfortunates ground to dust between its pitiless jaws.
Praising christianity is to praise everything its ideology directly gave rise to - an act that is unconscionable.
Hindus need to stop defending christianity and its gawd. Jeebus is scarier by far than the OT-only view of the christian deity, threatening horrid eternal punishment for not believing/accepting that someone 'died for your sins'. (Not to mention how preposterous it is to have to accept such a ridiculous premise.)
At least Jewish people have an original God. He may not be what we want, but he doesn't torment them forever and that says a lot when it comes to religion these days.
Christoism could only infamously plagiarise the Judaic deity and then went and made the character infinitely despicable with the NT's infinite hell. I most certainly agree that Yahweh is not Jehovallah. But in the rest of that paragraph, Menon is mistaken.
And what is all this complimenting christianity at the expense of Judaism? The first is a terrorist religion, the second is not. Give respect to where we get respect and don't bother about the rest; instead of fawning over the christoislamic religion that has promised and reiterated that it seeks to destroy us.
And Indra is a "tribal God of the Aryans"? Which Oryans? Only the Indians and the Old Iranians (with their 'Inder') ever had Indra. Proof yet to come forth that the other peoples of the grandiose IE fable had Indra. But I'm sure that WitSSel, after speaking to his buddy arch-racist Roger Pearson, will come up with 'lingwistik proof' for the same.