<!--QuoteBegin-Ashok Kumar+Jul 3 2007, 08:10 PM-->QUOTE(Ashok Kumar @ Jul 3 2007, 08:10 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually Eurology and Americilogy should properly be the branches of study which should claim to show the "true and external" origins of every worthwhile achievement by those civilizations. ... For example, some illustrious Americology studies talk about Mayan civilization being established by maya-dAnava from India. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->[right][snapback]70746[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No. No. No.
Mayan civilisation belongs to the Mayans. If <i>ever</i> anyone were to find there were (factual) significant contacts between India or SE Asia and the Mayans, further research could be done to find out how we may all have traded/shared/commonly devised ideas... otherwise, theirs is an independent civilisation. Make no claims on their accomplishments. They have made no claim on ours and they are not in any way responsible for the Muellers, Macaulays and other Missionaries foisted on us.
The dubious faux-scholarship in the west which occupies itself with finding silly little 'similarities' between the Mayan and Indian civilisation and then uses it to propound that Indians did something to give rise to Mayan civilisation should be given no credence. (Unless, I suppose, all Mayans actually believe we are related based on their own historical records or something. Else it's just another modern myth by western pseudo-scholars.) Outside of genetics, what hard proofs are there for a definite relationship dating to more recent times?
Ashok Kumar, it's fair enough to knock back at WitSSel et al's Oryan fortresses in Europe and N America, but never think of knocking the native American traditions and civilisations. What harm have they done us?
And in general, much of the good there is in America can be traced back to the benign influence of N America's native Americans (they're also the great proof for unoriginality in present America; so this will serve your purpose concerning Americilogy):
- America's idea of a set of 'United States' comes from the long-extant union/confederacy of several of North America's native American Nations.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030211190841/...ution.html#THis
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So it is that some of the characteristic elements of U.S. democracy have no equivalent in any other European democratic system, the caucus to name but one example, which is not - as one is inclined to think - Latin, but an Iroquois (precisely Algonquin) word. [WI137]
And so it is that the eagle on the United States shield is the Iroquois Eagle, and the bundle of arrows in its grasp originally numbered not thirteen but five. [NG399]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Read the rest of the page. It also talks about how the settlers weren't ready (and are still not ready) for other aspects of the highly advanced native American society: giving women their deserved and respected place in society, for instance.
What the idea of America owes to the original Americans is profound, amazing. So many a good thing derives from that wholesome source of native American traditional society and civilisation.
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->[right][snapback]70746[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No. No. No. Mayan civilisation belongs to the Mayans. If <i>ever</i> anyone were to find there were (factual) significant contacts between India or SE Asia and the Mayans, further research could be done to find out how we may all have traded/shared/commonly devised ideas... otherwise, theirs is an independent civilisation. Make no claims on their accomplishments. They have made no claim on ours and they are not in any way responsible for the Muellers, Macaulays and other Missionaries foisted on us.
The dubious faux-scholarship in the west which occupies itself with finding silly little 'similarities' between the Mayan and Indian civilisation and then uses it to propound that Indians did something to give rise to Mayan civilisation should be given no credence. (Unless, I suppose, all Mayans actually believe we are related based on their own historical records or something. Else it's just another modern myth by western pseudo-scholars.) Outside of genetics, what hard proofs are there for a definite relationship dating to more recent times?
Ashok Kumar, it's fair enough to knock back at WitSSel et al's Oryan fortresses in Europe and N America, but never think of knocking the native American traditions and civilisations. What harm have they done us?
And in general, much of the good there is in America can be traced back to the benign influence of N America's native Americans (they're also the great proof for unoriginality in present America; so this will serve your purpose concerning Americilogy):
- America's idea of a set of 'United States' comes from the long-extant union/confederacy of several of North America's native American Nations.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030211190841/...ution.html#THis
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So it is that some of the characteristic elements of U.S. democracy have no equivalent in any other European democratic system, the caucus to name but one example, which is not - as one is inclined to think - Latin, but an Iroquois (precisely Algonquin) word. [WI137]
And so it is that the eagle on the United States shield is the Iroquois Eagle, and the bundle of arrows in its grasp originally numbered not thirteen but five. [NG399]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Read the rest of the page. It also talks about how the settlers weren't ready (and are still not ready) for other aspects of the highly advanced native American society: giving women their deserved and respected place in society, for instance.
What the idea of America owes to the original Americans is profound, amazing. So many a good thing derives from that wholesome source of native American traditional society and civilisation.