07-28-2007, 12:10 PM
I picked the following from
http://manollasa.blogspot.com/2006/07/maha...ore-musing.html
I know this is the blogspot of one of the forum members (I dont know who). The change in language and its development over a period of time is very interesting. I would request the learned forum members to actually give the examples of these languages, in the sense mention some sentences in these languages (and also their translations) and how it evolved for the benefit of avid followers (like myself) who cannot follow these languages but are very interested in them. For e.g. how the Maharashtri Prakrit of 2nd century had evolved into Mahratti of the 12th century when Dnyaneshwar mentioned "Majhi Mahratichi Bolu Kavtike, Pari Amritatehi Jinke....". I understand Marathi somewhat and I can understand the meaning of the above words. I thought of starting another thread, but then decided that this is probably the right thread for it discusses medieval history as language development is very much linked to the political and social history of the times and cannot be easily separated from it. Also the great changes in languages happened in the 3rd to 11th century. When we came out in the 11th century we had Kannada and Telugu with flourishing literature, Marathi and Malayalam evolving into their final shapes. So its more apt to discuss this in medieval history.
From the blogsite
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Obivously, Indo-Aryan and Dravidian have been at the center of my linguistic interests because they are the very basis of my cultural and genetic heritage. During my peregrinations in the peninsula I made some observations, and read a work of KM Munshi that the muni brought to my attention, which resulted in a flash. This concerns the relationship between Maharatti the Indo-Aryan language of the northern peninsula and the Aryanized Dravidian language Kannada that is a bit further south. The first great empire of this region was the Andhra empire of the shatavAhana that held sway within the interval 2ooBCE-200 CE. The principal language of this empire was a middle Indo-Aryan dialect, a prakR^it, mahArAShTri prakR^it that was used fairly extensively as a commercial, official and literary language. This contention is most effectively confirmed by the literary work in this language, sattasai of the andhra king hAla. We see its extensive effects in the Aryanization of the peninsula, including the older IA superstrate on Tamil, Kannada and Telugu. Its use an official language probably contributed to its use in classical Sanskrit dramatics as the epitome of a barbarous prakR^it spoken by the lower sections of society. For example, note its use as the language of the crude characters in the play AgamaDambara, much later in time, by the Kashimirian brAhmin jayanta bhaTTa. This prakR^it clear shares some synapomorphies with modern Maharatti, suggesting that it indeed directly contributed as an ancestor of the local IA language of modern times.
However, fast forward in time and you find that the successors of the shatavAhana rulers, in the region the mighty rAShTrakUTas (rAthoD-s of later IA) and the more regional yAdavas extensively use kannaDa in their inscriptions (other than the official classical Sanskrit). We find much more limited use of Maharatti phrases and sentences, especially in the later of these inscriptions, and suggests the survival of the descendent of the preceding mahArAShTri prakR^it apparently over-shadowed by Dravidian Kannada. Then, we have Munshi's demonstration of the influence of Kannada on Gujarati, which is consistent with a far more northern boundary for Kannada in the historical period. The earliest Maharatti inscriptions are interestingly seen in Sravana-Belgola, which is now an entirely Kannada region. Then we have the Islamic invasion destroying the old Hindu kingdoms of the region. As the curtain lifts and the Maharatta warriors are beginning to appear as major power players, Maharatti is rampant and soon influence the whole of India with the rise of the Maharatta empire (the last great Hindu empire). As Maharatti evolved it showed a linguistic tendency, pronounced in Tamil, and seen to a limited extent in Kannada and Telugu-- the caste-specific dialect (a phenomenon extensively researched by mAtAshrI in her PhD days). The brahmins speak a dialect extensively influenced by a classical Sanskrit vocabulary, while the middle castes adopt several technical NIA or MIA terms with only religious Sanskrit vocabulary and the tribals and lower castes an un-sanskritized NIA dialect. Amongst some branches of the smArta brahmins settled in the Tamil country in the latest period the dialect is a hybrid of sanskrit and tamil, deploying a Sanskrit vocabulary atop a basic dravidian structural template. This situation is very parallel to the brahmin nAstIkas of the bauddha cult, composing the neo-scriptures in a highly sanskritized MIA dialect. Traditionally these were termed maNi-praAvalas.
These observations of the fluctuations of Aryanized Dravidian and IA, as well as caste specific dialect formation suggests that the spread of IA in the peninsula was a complex phenomenon, poorly understood by most white Indologists (other than Masica).
# posted by agnikula : 11:32 PM "<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://manollasa.blogspot.com/2006/07/maha...ore-musing.html
I know this is the blogspot of one of the forum members (I dont know who). The change in language and its development over a period of time is very interesting. I would request the learned forum members to actually give the examples of these languages, in the sense mention some sentences in these languages (and also their translations) and how it evolved for the benefit of avid followers (like myself) who cannot follow these languages but are very interested in them. For e.g. how the Maharashtri Prakrit of 2nd century had evolved into Mahratti of the 12th century when Dnyaneshwar mentioned "Majhi Mahratichi Bolu Kavtike, Pari Amritatehi Jinke....". I understand Marathi somewhat and I can understand the meaning of the above words. I thought of starting another thread, but then decided that this is probably the right thread for it discusses medieval history as language development is very much linked to the political and social history of the times and cannot be easily separated from it. Also the great changes in languages happened in the 3rd to 11th century. When we came out in the 11th century we had Kannada and Telugu with flourishing literature, Marathi and Malayalam evolving into their final shapes. So its more apt to discuss this in medieval history.
From the blogsite
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Obivously, Indo-Aryan and Dravidian have been at the center of my linguistic interests because they are the very basis of my cultural and genetic heritage. During my peregrinations in the peninsula I made some observations, and read a work of KM Munshi that the muni brought to my attention, which resulted in a flash. This concerns the relationship between Maharatti the Indo-Aryan language of the northern peninsula and the Aryanized Dravidian language Kannada that is a bit further south. The first great empire of this region was the Andhra empire of the shatavAhana that held sway within the interval 2ooBCE-200 CE. The principal language of this empire was a middle Indo-Aryan dialect, a prakR^it, mahArAShTri prakR^it that was used fairly extensively as a commercial, official and literary language. This contention is most effectively confirmed by the literary work in this language, sattasai of the andhra king hAla. We see its extensive effects in the Aryanization of the peninsula, including the older IA superstrate on Tamil, Kannada and Telugu. Its use an official language probably contributed to its use in classical Sanskrit dramatics as the epitome of a barbarous prakR^it spoken by the lower sections of society. For example, note its use as the language of the crude characters in the play AgamaDambara, much later in time, by the Kashimirian brAhmin jayanta bhaTTa. This prakR^it clear shares some synapomorphies with modern Maharatti, suggesting that it indeed directly contributed as an ancestor of the local IA language of modern times.
However, fast forward in time and you find that the successors of the shatavAhana rulers, in the region the mighty rAShTrakUTas (rAthoD-s of later IA) and the more regional yAdavas extensively use kannaDa in their inscriptions (other than the official classical Sanskrit). We find much more limited use of Maharatti phrases and sentences, especially in the later of these inscriptions, and suggests the survival of the descendent of the preceding mahArAShTri prakR^it apparently over-shadowed by Dravidian Kannada. Then, we have Munshi's demonstration of the influence of Kannada on Gujarati, which is consistent with a far more northern boundary for Kannada in the historical period. The earliest Maharatti inscriptions are interestingly seen in Sravana-Belgola, which is now an entirely Kannada region. Then we have the Islamic invasion destroying the old Hindu kingdoms of the region. As the curtain lifts and the Maharatta warriors are beginning to appear as major power players, Maharatti is rampant and soon influence the whole of India with the rise of the Maharatta empire (the last great Hindu empire). As Maharatti evolved it showed a linguistic tendency, pronounced in Tamil, and seen to a limited extent in Kannada and Telugu-- the caste-specific dialect (a phenomenon extensively researched by mAtAshrI in her PhD days). The brahmins speak a dialect extensively influenced by a classical Sanskrit vocabulary, while the middle castes adopt several technical NIA or MIA terms with only religious Sanskrit vocabulary and the tribals and lower castes an un-sanskritized NIA dialect. Amongst some branches of the smArta brahmins settled in the Tamil country in the latest period the dialect is a hybrid of sanskrit and tamil, deploying a Sanskrit vocabulary atop a basic dravidian structural template. This situation is very parallel to the brahmin nAstIkas of the bauddha cult, composing the neo-scriptures in a highly sanskritized MIA dialect. Traditionally these were termed maNi-praAvalas.
These observations of the fluctuations of Aryanized Dravidian and IA, as well as caste specific dialect formation suggests that the spread of IA in the peninsula was a complex phenomenon, poorly understood by most white Indologists (other than Masica).
# posted by agnikula : 11:32 PM "<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->