08-04-2007, 01:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 21 2007, 08:55 PM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 21 2007, 08:55 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The first is largely a semantic issue as far as I can see. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha)<!--QuoteEBegin-->After the whirlwind of Islam under the dreadful Alla-ad-din Khalji had blown through India and <b>flattened the Hindus</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This was your first post on this topic and impression I got from it that hindus were routed very badly and ceased all resistance. This is why I posted the excerpt from Kulke's book. See Khilji is considered by Muslims and indologists as a general who never lost and one who "ruled" over most of India! We know for sure this is wrong. So what made you say it?
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Further as for the Rajputs you yourself describe at length that due to Khalji's attacks Hammir Deva ChahamAna was killed, and also the occupation of Chittor (even it was reconquered).
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Yes but rajputs in the fort perished to the last human and the country side was in there hand. So clearly rajputs were not flattened.
<!--QuoteBegin-Haum Hamiddha+-->QUOTE(Haum Hamiddha)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Digvijay+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Digvijay)<!--QuoteEBegin--> I am negating following two statements:
.... The fight backs by Hindus were constant and started as soon as they lost any war.
Secondly Chittor was retaken much before the time of Kumbha. Rajputs were raiding places as far as banaras to free it from the mllechas.
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Digvijay, this what I meant -- see in your eagerness to negate and push your point you seem to gloss over what was originally written. I am sure you will appreciate that any one who has had read school level history in India or even just read ACK comics will know that Chittor was reconquered by the Sisodias before Kumbha and the story of Maladeva and Vir Hammir defeating Mahmud Khalji etc. If you notice the original statement I am not saying that *Kumbha reconquered Chittor*.
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This is what you wrote:
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha)<!--QuoteEBegin-->In the North, in the 1400s a significant figure in rolling back the horrors of Islam was the great Rana Kumbha of Mewar.
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I mentioned the chittor recounquering to show that Islams' horrors in Mewar were rolled back many decades before the birth of Kumbha.
-Digvijay
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha)<!--QuoteEBegin-->After the whirlwind of Islam under the dreadful Alla-ad-din Khalji had blown through India and <b>flattened the Hindus</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This was your first post on this topic and impression I got from it that hindus were routed very badly and ceased all resistance. This is why I posted the excerpt from Kulke's book. See Khilji is considered by Muslims and indologists as a general who never lost and one who "ruled" over most of India! We know for sure this is wrong. So what made you say it?
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Further as for the Rajputs you yourself describe at length that due to Khalji's attacks Hammir Deva ChahamAna was killed, and also the occupation of Chittor (even it was reconquered).
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes but rajputs in the fort perished to the last human and the country side was in there hand. So clearly rajputs were not flattened.
<!--QuoteBegin-Haum Hamiddha+-->QUOTE(Haum Hamiddha)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Digvijay+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Digvijay)<!--QuoteEBegin--> I am negating following two statements:
.... The fight backs by Hindus were constant and started as soon as they lost any war.
Secondly Chittor was retaken much before the time of Kumbha. Rajputs were raiding places as far as banaras to free it from the mllechas.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Digvijay, this what I meant -- see in your eagerness to negate and push your point you seem to gloss over what was originally written. I am sure you will appreciate that any one who has had read school level history in India or even just read ACK comics will know that Chittor was reconquered by the Sisodias before Kumbha and the story of Maladeva and Vir Hammir defeating Mahmud Khalji etc. If you notice the original statement I am not saying that *Kumbha reconquered Chittor*.
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This is what you wrote:
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha)<!--QuoteEBegin-->In the North, in the 1400s a significant figure in rolling back the horrors of Islam was the great Rana Kumbha of Mewar.
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I mentioned the chittor recounquering to show that Islams' horrors in Mewar were rolled back many decades before the birth of Kumbha.
-Digvijay