<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Aug 18 2007, 07:02 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Aug 18 2007, 07:02 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->i am serious when i say this, bhatt is a perv tht said some freaky things ....
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bollywood's Bad Girl Pooja Bhatt, notorious for lip-kissing with father Mahesh Bhatt
http://www.starswelove.com/pbhatt01.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]72197[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ewww.
What was he aiming for, a replay of Shah Jahan? Another such a 'glorious' incident in islami history, that. Nothing's changed, apparently.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read....4-D85A9D2B4B6A}
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Things were back to normal under Shah Jahan (1593-1666), the fifth Mogul Emperor and a grandson of Akbar the Great. Most Westerners remember him as the builder of the Taj Mahal and have no idea that he was a cruel warmonger who initiated forty-eight military campaigns against non-Moslems in less than thirty years. Taking his cue from his Ottoman co-religionists, on coming to the throne in 1628 he killed all his male relations except one who escaped to Persia. Shah Jahan had 5,000 concubines in his harem, but nevertheless indulged in <b>incestuous</b> sex with his daughters Chamani and Jahanara. During his reign in Benares alone 76 Hindu temples were destroyed, as well as Christian churches at Agra and Lahore. At the end of the siege of Hugh, a Portuguese enclave near Calcutta, that lasted three months, he had ten thousand inhabitants "blown up with powder, drowned in water or burnt by fire." Four thousand were taken captive to Agra where they were offered Islam or death. Most refused and were killed, except for the younger women, who went into harems.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Like I said: Yuck, yuck. Eeeewwwwww.
Just to clarify exactly what I am disgusted at - before anyone gets angry:
It's the incest that caused the revulsion.
Otherwise I'm not averse to various people kissing each other. With that I mean I know that - <i>in certain countries where it has long been the custom</i> - siblings, parents and their kids, and friends kiss each other regularly on the mouth. Nothing sinister in those cases.
In NL, throughout my childhood I've seen mums kiss their children on the mouth when dropping their kids off at primary-school. I've seen mums, dads and grandparents do the same with their kids and grandkids; and this continued when the children were much older (especially when giving birthday presents, for instance).
Mums used to break-up their little sons from fighting and tell them to kiss to make-up. And here too, same thing: it was on the mouth.
Little siblings regularly kissed each other on the mouth: often when a little boy or girl hurt itself in the playground, its older sister/brother always came by, hugged it and planted one on the mouth, playing the parent in the absence of a real parent. No different from how the parents and grandparents kissed their kids there.
I never had a problem with any of this, it was the custom; when I got used to seeing it, it evoked no other feeling than that it was nice to see people cared about each other. And I'd pity anyone who'd eeewww at such a basic show of affection *in NL or a similar country*. Of course, it goes without saying, none of these had the slightest to do with any incest.
Also in that same country, I've seen the older generation of women (the generation wearing headscarves) kissing each other on the mouth. Female friends did this all throughout the war era and even after; people might have seen this in WWII movies set in mainland Europe. Today, lame US TV makes it look like females (or males) kissing each other is something that <i>only</i> gay people ever did. Nah. Straight women kissed each other on the mouth in NL (and DE), even though the younger generations don't generally do this anymore except in exceptional circumstances. (Possibly brainwashed by homophobic WASPy culture from across the channel and the pond? Odd how even in Europe and Russia, the alien British and more particularly American culture is unfortunately so influential these days. That reminds me of how the American media freaked out when Angelina Jolie was said to have given her brother a kiss on the mouth at some televised event or other, some years back. The US news lost it, and was rife with fears/insinuations of incest and whatnot. Didn't occur to their loser media that the Jolies might have grown up in a family that also followed European customs - after all, Jolie's parents also have French and Czech ancestry.)
And yes, I do know that in Russia men kissed each other too. At present I can only recall clips of kisses on the cheek, but I've heard that even kissing each other on the mouth was not uncommon among dear friends or colleagues.
Again, I've no problems with that. In some countries this happens to be people's way of expressing their friendship according to their old customs.
(And, before someone wants to call me a bigot: I have no problems with gay people kissing each other either. So any suits for discrimination or whatever can be directed to your local anti-civil-union US govt rather than to me. Boo them instead.)
Back to what I was 'eeeewing' at: it was obviously not about European and Russian families or friends kissing each other in this for them not unusual manner.
But, as far as I am aware <b>it is not the custom <i>in India</i></b> for family or friends to kiss each other on the mouth. Only people romantically involved tend to do that in India (so no way M Bhatt can excuse himself with reference to the European or Russian situation) - and hence my revulsion was at the obviously incestuous situation of the Bhatts in question.
- End of explanation. Yes, I know. Life is short and this post was long; and you might now well be considering to demand your time back if you unnecessarily read all the way here. (Sorry, no refunds <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
But any psecular who might ever read this can't bay to themselves that this post is proof of 'an obscurantist intolerant Hindooooo fanatic yelling against kissing and blablabla....' No show, I'm afraid. They can keep right on looking.
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bollywood's Bad Girl Pooja Bhatt, notorious for lip-kissing with father Mahesh Bhatt
http://www.starswelove.com/pbhatt01.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]72197[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ewww.
What was he aiming for, a replay of Shah Jahan? Another such a 'glorious' incident in islami history, that. Nothing's changed, apparently.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read....4-D85A9D2B4B6A}
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Things were back to normal under Shah Jahan (1593-1666), the fifth Mogul Emperor and a grandson of Akbar the Great. Most Westerners remember him as the builder of the Taj Mahal and have no idea that he was a cruel warmonger who initiated forty-eight military campaigns against non-Moslems in less than thirty years. Taking his cue from his Ottoman co-religionists, on coming to the throne in 1628 he killed all his male relations except one who escaped to Persia. Shah Jahan had 5,000 concubines in his harem, but nevertheless indulged in <b>incestuous</b> sex with his daughters Chamani and Jahanara. During his reign in Benares alone 76 Hindu temples were destroyed, as well as Christian churches at Agra and Lahore. At the end of the siege of Hugh, a Portuguese enclave near Calcutta, that lasted three months, he had ten thousand inhabitants "blown up with powder, drowned in water or burnt by fire." Four thousand were taken captive to Agra where they were offered Islam or death. Most refused and were killed, except for the younger women, who went into harems.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Like I said: Yuck, yuck. Eeeewwwwww.
Just to clarify exactly what I am disgusted at - before anyone gets angry:
It's the incest that caused the revulsion.
Otherwise I'm not averse to various people kissing each other. With that I mean I know that - <i>in certain countries where it has long been the custom</i> - siblings, parents and their kids, and friends kiss each other regularly on the mouth. Nothing sinister in those cases.
In NL, throughout my childhood I've seen mums kiss their children on the mouth when dropping their kids off at primary-school. I've seen mums, dads and grandparents do the same with their kids and grandkids; and this continued when the children were much older (especially when giving birthday presents, for instance).
Mums used to break-up their little sons from fighting and tell them to kiss to make-up. And here too, same thing: it was on the mouth.
Little siblings regularly kissed each other on the mouth: often when a little boy or girl hurt itself in the playground, its older sister/brother always came by, hugged it and planted one on the mouth, playing the parent in the absence of a real parent. No different from how the parents and grandparents kissed their kids there.
I never had a problem with any of this, it was the custom; when I got used to seeing it, it evoked no other feeling than that it was nice to see people cared about each other. And I'd pity anyone who'd eeewww at such a basic show of affection *in NL or a similar country*. Of course, it goes without saying, none of these had the slightest to do with any incest.
Also in that same country, I've seen the older generation of women (the generation wearing headscarves) kissing each other on the mouth. Female friends did this all throughout the war era and even after; people might have seen this in WWII movies set in mainland Europe. Today, lame US TV makes it look like females (or males) kissing each other is something that <i>only</i> gay people ever did. Nah. Straight women kissed each other on the mouth in NL (and DE), even though the younger generations don't generally do this anymore except in exceptional circumstances. (Possibly brainwashed by homophobic WASPy culture from across the channel and the pond? Odd how even in Europe and Russia, the alien British and more particularly American culture is unfortunately so influential these days. That reminds me of how the American media freaked out when Angelina Jolie was said to have given her brother a kiss on the mouth at some televised event or other, some years back. The US news lost it, and was rife with fears/insinuations of incest and whatnot. Didn't occur to their loser media that the Jolies might have grown up in a family that also followed European customs - after all, Jolie's parents also have French and Czech ancestry.)
And yes, I do know that in Russia men kissed each other too. At present I can only recall clips of kisses on the cheek, but I've heard that even kissing each other on the mouth was not uncommon among dear friends or colleagues.
Again, I've no problems with that. In some countries this happens to be people's way of expressing their friendship according to their old customs.
(And, before someone wants to call me a bigot: I have no problems with gay people kissing each other either. So any suits for discrimination or whatever can be directed to your local anti-civil-union US govt rather than to me. Boo them instead.)
Back to what I was 'eeeewing' at: it was obviously not about European and Russian families or friends kissing each other in this for them not unusual manner.
But, as far as I am aware <b>it is not the custom <i>in India</i></b> for family or friends to kiss each other on the mouth. Only people romantically involved tend to do that in India (so no way M Bhatt can excuse himself with reference to the European or Russian situation) - and hence my revulsion was at the obviously incestuous situation of the Bhatts in question.
- End of explanation. Yes, I know. Life is short and this post was long; and you might now well be considering to demand your time back if you unnecessarily read all the way here. (Sorry, no refunds <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> )But any psecular who might ever read this can't bay to themselves that this post is proof of 'an obscurantist intolerant Hindooooo fanatic yelling against kissing and blablabla....' No show, I'm afraid. They can keep right on looking.