08-22-2007, 12:51 AM
Ramana,
The Left and others who are trying this approach are actually targeting the short term gains in the form of a new front for the next elections. All they are trying is to create a couple of Samajwadi Parties as part of the Third Front. Your views seems to be a long term(it might take a decade) based on the solidification of this kind of polarization.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thanks for the compliment Muppalla. It makes me strive more to understand the issues. The aha moment came on Saturday when I tried to think why is she writing what she is writing.
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We need to watch this space. So far we have seen about four articles of this nature. One from Left, Seema Mustafa, Natwar Singh and an un-named news report some where. Seema Mustafa types are virulently anti Indian ethos that are based on pre-Mughal period. They act as proxy to Left politics(educated and intellectual Muslims are part of Left for convinience).
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually there are tectonic shifts underway if we pause and think about it.
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I wish your thinking comes true.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->A national interests based Muslim political movement can take shape.
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I couldn't grasp this conclusion. I am trying since last two days. How the above polarization could lead to this? Even if it has to happen there should be some leadership which is not existing at this time in IMs. The pulls and pressures are too many against such a movement.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pseudo-secularism might bite the dust.
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Based on current politics, Vajpayee, JS and PVNR brand of leadeship needs to suceed in at least two national parties and few regional parties.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Left movement could also whither away as its based on fake secularism and syncretism.
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This is extremely difficult to predict with the kind of growth we are seeing in China. This is China's proxy in India and there needs to be min-independence movement to get rid of this. Left is everywhere like God in India. Local politics, history writing and NGO movements and large sections of media and beauracracy.
May be my visualization is not based on thinking big.
The Left and others who are trying this approach are actually targeting the short term gains in the form of a new front for the next elections. All they are trying is to create a couple of Samajwadi Parties as part of the Third Front. Your views seems to be a long term(it might take a decade) based on the solidification of this kind of polarization.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thanks for the compliment Muppalla. It makes me strive more to understand the issues. The aha moment came on Saturday when I tried to think why is she writing what she is writing.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We need to watch this space. So far we have seen about four articles of this nature. One from Left, Seema Mustafa, Natwar Singh and an un-named news report some where. Seema Mustafa types are virulently anti Indian ethos that are based on pre-Mughal period. They act as proxy to Left politics(educated and intellectual Muslims are part of Left for convinience).
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually there are tectonic shifts underway if we pause and think about it.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wish your thinking comes true.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->A national interests based Muslim political movement can take shape.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I couldn't grasp this conclusion. I am trying since last two days. How the above polarization could lead to this? Even if it has to happen there should be some leadership which is not existing at this time in IMs. The pulls and pressures are too many against such a movement.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pseudo-secularism might bite the dust.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Based on current politics, Vajpayee, JS and PVNR brand of leadeship needs to suceed in at least two national parties and few regional parties.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 21 2007, 10:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Left movement could also whither away as its based on fake secularism and syncretism.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is extremely difficult to predict with the kind of growth we are seeing in China. This is China's proxy in India and there needs to be min-independence movement to get rid of this. Left is everywhere like God in India. Local politics, history writing and NGO movements and large sections of media and beauracracy.
May be my visualization is not based on thinking big.