Bomb Blasts In India - 1

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The quotations below(both Part I and II) are from BR. I could not find my post in BR and i thought it had been zapped. But i did find it and therefore my remarks on the BRadmins were hasty and intemperate.
The second part is a post by shiv (one of the admins) where he expresses an oipinion which is so close to mine, that I was taken aback

Read on and make up your own mind

BTW, my vision has deteriorated and i have difficulty with small font size, so at least I make sure I can read what I write

Part I

quote :Kaushal
Unless political interests coincide with National interests there cannot be a change in projection as a soft state.
[1]American military industrial complex needs wars to sustain their existence. <>Indian software industry needs peace to sustain their existence.
[2]American political leadership needs to kick ass in Muslim world because of the Jewish sentiments in order to be in power.
<>Indian political leadership needs to have its own ass kicked to accommodate muslim sentiments in order to retain power.

You figure out a way to get around this and we will be having tea at RYK in a week.My treat.

My comment - The Problem with reductionist arguments, such as this, is that by making simplifying assumptions, often of a sweeping character, the problem is reduced to equally (or nearly so ) unpleasant alternatives. There is no solution to the Paki dilemma, if we accept the conventional wisdom,, that the status quo accompanied by beaucoup deaths of innocents,, along with the tacit acceptance of a reality --- a reality that proclaims more loudly than all the Republic day parades that the security forces of India cannot protect the lives of the citizens of the republic from these relatively frequent acts of cowardice of the few. Interestingly, contrary to what they may proclaim publicly , this status quo is eminently suitable to the likes of Mushy and his cronies in Rawalpindi.

To take stock of the situation, one must step back and question some assumptions. The major assumption ,and it is a crippling one to any further strategic progress, is that India is a helpless giant (or elephant) hemmed in from all sides by adversaries ready to strike at the heart of India, if India so much as says Boo to Pakistan. The second major assumption is the supposed irrationality of the Pakis , that they would go nuclear at the slightest invasion of their land even for minor incursions.


Life does not come with guarantees, but I question these assumptions. The notion that US or China will go beyond the usual rhetoric in the UN. Is not realistic in my opinion. IOW there is a Lakshman rekha behind which there are plenty of alternatives for India to ponder. India is too big certainly a lot bigger than Iran, which is difficult enough as a country to deal with. The only people not cognizant of the consequences of this glaring fact are the Indians themselves.

The second assumption can be dismissed with the observation that the Pakis have shown consistently greater rationality in their foreign policy (if we accept their assumptions for a minute) than we give them credit for.

Once we give up these assumptions,, the door opens to many possible approaches to the problem

SwamyG wrote:
<i>If it is a message that needs to be conveyed to Pakistan, then few air strikes on Bangladesh would do the task. Countries fighting global terror in the World would notice too.



India has lost more people than any country other than Iraq. This is a shameful statistic.

I have some thoughts about Islamist terror and will try and articulate them.

The political dilemma faced in fighting Islamist terror is to blame Islamists and not islam. As always, after such a terrorist attack when Islamists are blamed. innocent Muslims (sometims genuinely) claim victimization just because of a "few misguided individuals of the type that you find in every religion"

For this erason we have a situation in which you have Islamic countries who retain the right to be as extremist as they like. They harbor the worst Ilamic bigit as fellow muslims.

When those fellow muslims, commit terrorist acts in another country, the excuse is "a few misguided individuals of the type that you find in every religion"

So you cannot blame Islam or Muslims even though it is clear that Islam and Muslims have a direct and demonstrable link with terrorism.

I see only one way out of this logjam. And that is to blame islam for every such terrorist attack and say in no uncertain terms that Islam and all Muslims in a country that harbors terrorists shoulder some of the responsibility for nutuing this sort of murderous hatred.
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My comment – I have been saying all along that it is the operating system software that is responsible for so many bright young men leaving productive lives and taking up as life of cowardice where attacking women and children is glorifies as a the act of a martyr. There are not just a few individuals but who now run into the 100,000’s. If so many individuals can get the wrong message from the Koran , it is time to ask oneself whether the Koran needs to be revised and such egregious passages calling for the destruction of the Kaffir should be summarily be edited out of the text.

There is too much talk circuitous talk using weasel word such as secularism. Let us get back to the basics and teach our youngsters hindu and muslim the basics - to be good decent human beings and to be accountable for ones actions..

<i>shiv "But what of innocent Muslims"? one might ask. I am sorry to say that unless innocent Muslims are rudely woken up to see what is being done by Muslims in the name of Islam nothing is going to change. If blaming innocent Muslims will help wake them up, so be it. Let me explain further “

“But then people will ask (as politicians and apologists do) "If you blame innocent Muslims you are playing into the extremists who want you do do that and alienate the ordinary Muslims. We are therefore required to shut up and not blame Islam when Islam is to blame. “

“In fact that tactic is wrong. It is necessary to put Islam and all Muslims (innocent or not) into a fait accompli situation. Islam and groups of Muslims are certainly at fault for most terrorist deaths. If speaking this truth turns Muslims into extremists - it only proves the same point. The only way to disprove it is to put pressure on those parts of the ummah who support terror.”
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It is important for the rest of us to know right from wrong. Killing innocent people in the name of jihad or whetever is terribly wrong and should be punished appropriately . Elsewhere I have proposed a set of Core Values.

The Core Values
Core Values

1.Integrity(1) Sattwa,Suddhi. A hankering for the truth is essential in this kind of endeavor (or any field of endeavor). Truth is conceptualized in many ways. What is the real truth? What is the ultimate truth? What is metaphysical truth or, what lies beyond? In seeking answers to all these questions, what is stressed upon is that one should be true to oneself, not just when interacting with another outside the Self.
The study of History (or any other endeavor) must be accompanied by a hankering for the truth. Such a narrative must have few if any inconsistencies and none which are major.
2.Celebration of Diversity (ability to synthesize opposing viewpoints, inability to do so is a sign of weakness and a sign of Avidya where one falls prey to Ahankara). "Ekam sat Vipraa, bahudha vadanti." "Truth is one, the wise call It by various names."
For many if not the vast majority, diversity signifies primarily if not exclusively diversity of ethnicities or races. But such a viewpoint ignores the very real diversity that exists in differing ideologies, opinions, experiences regardless of ethnic or class diversity. We maintain that the real test of being completely at home in a diverse environment, lies in synthesizing diverse viewpoints , while not necessarily agreeing with them.
Celebration of Diversity or at least the recognition of such diversity and its enthusiastic acceptance must remain a fundamental obligation of all nation states and the responsibility of all the individual citizens of a nation state and not just those of its citizens who are deemed to belong to a majority. Those who view themselves as a minority have to bear such an obligation in equal measure and cannot shirk such a responsibility with a plea that they are a minority and hence do not have to shoulder the same responsibilities as the rest of the populace.
At the same time celebration of diversity does not mean that one should tolerate the intolerant .


3.Courage(dhairya, dhiratva) to think outside the box and adopt new paradigms (Viswakarma), to admit your mistakes, show remorse and apologize where applicable and move on to persevere in the face of great odds and to fight against evil (Thithiksha). This also includes a reverence for the traditions of our ancient civilization and the courage to defend such traditions against tyranny and terrorism. We should be explicit in stating in s fashion reminiscent of a statesman in the west,

<span style='color:purple'>Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival of our cherished values and traditions
4. Detachment or Vairagya When faced with the consequences of one’s action, Hinduism asks you to stand aside and become a witness (sAkshI bhAva). Rather than respond with extreme excitement or deep depression, accept what comes to you, without your intervention, with a certain detachment. In victory and failure, reflect, understand, inquire. The way you think influences your way of life and helps you motivate yourself without external aids. Vairagya is a core value which is perhaps emphasized to a greater degree than it is in ithe Occident
5.Viveka, to discriminate between what is good and what needs to be discarded. To preserve enduring traditions and values and discard those which are no longer relevant using Viveka
6.Compassion for those who need help and who cannot help themselves and those who are disadvantaged in society and who need a helping hand
7.Reverence for all life forms in particular human life is a central core value. The taking of a human life is a grave matter and is permitted to societies (and nations) only under conditions of extreme provocation, such as self defense. To wage war to reclaim lost territory or to avenge past wrongs becomes highly problematic under the prevailing charter of internationally acceptable behavior. It is all the more imperative that when one is forced into war that the fight be fought with valor ,courage and single minded determination to win, since the alternative could be very costly, as India has learned from past experience.
8. Tolerance for Ambiguity. Contrary to Einstein, the world and the events that take place in this world are not deterministic. One can only describe certain phenomena in a probabilistic paradigm. The certainty in ones belief system may be a luxury only Prophets can afford. For, the rest of us we have to rest content with a degree of belief and tolerate the inherent ambiguities of many facets of life
9.Respect for the individual and his/her individuality. We thank Ishwara for blessing the human species with the gift of diversity and we believe in dealing with each individual based on his/her actions and behavior and not on the basis of their status or class or Varna in society
10. It is our belief that a study of history in general and our history in particular has lessons to teach us. We make no apology therefore for our emphasis on history in these pages, and our quest to unravel an account of our history that is accurate It behooves us therefore to study history in order to cull those actions, policies, principles and values that have stood the test of time ,while at the same time learning from those instances deemed generally to be failures. In short the purpose is not so much to dwell on the 'glories' of the past but to learn and continue to be inspired so as to aspire to reach even greater heights.
11. Reverence for Knowledge, both Paara and Apaara Vidya and a determination (Thithiksha) to pursue the studies of the ancient knowledge in Sanskrtam. The manuscript wealth of India exceeds over 5 million , About a million of these have been catalogued. These staggering numbers indicate, that there is much that we are not cognizant of when it comes to the knowledge of the ancients.
12. It is our strong belief bolstered by extensive studies of our ancient scriptures, and vetted by the stringent requirements of Logic, that the single greatest gift that the Sanaatana Dharma bestows upon us is the freedom to be our Self and the freedom to exercise choices (Free will). Freedom however is accompanied by responsibilities, the responsibility to ‘Know thyself’ and to be accountable for our actions
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