09-01-2007, 12:18 AM
Muppalla that was avery good and consice description of whats happening in Hyd. yes I know the person in charge of GHMA quite well. The paln is to make Hyd the third largest city in area and population. They have incorporated an area equal to that of Singapore. The dream is to make it a new metropolis. And that means getting rid of old ideas and hangups. Yes he plans to fix the problems and has not taken up the higher job at Center.
BTW, x-posting from BR as it is relevant here. Rearranged chronologically.
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P Wrote
I guess it's not a surprise to hear that Hyderabad has changed in the last decade or so. As is the common case with a economically vibrant city, hyderabad attracted a lot of folks from surrounding areas and the population grew tremendously. New people bring their own culture, and hyderabad changed. Hyderabad used to be a unique city in india in a lot of ways. Back in the 80s/90s,
It's part of south india, but perhaps only city where north indians felt comfortable to live and work in. People in madras, didn't know hindi and were somewhat hostile to north indians. While Bangalore was a nice city, language problems existed and there wasn't a decent sized north indian community. It's part of andhra pradesh, but people from andhra were intimidated to visit hyderabad. The indimidation factor ? Language problem We used to share a joke, that hyderabad is one place where to telugu natives meet and converse in hindi. Hindi (or Urdu - my words) was *the* language, Auto drivers acted as if they didn't understand telugu, rickshaw drivers had that unique "lungi with belt" look adopted by amitabh in desh premee. There were just as many theatres playing hindi movies as there were for telugu. In fact, the top movie theatre in hyderabad during the 80s (Maheshwari/Parameshwari) rarely played telugu movies! Old city was really old, I mean 400 years old. Old city meant, charminar and south of charminar. City center was Kothi, Abids, Nampally, Basheerbagh. I guess i can keep listing some of these things, but there was a character to the city. It was not a hustly bustly north indian city, nor it was culturally inward focused south indian town/city. Hyderabadi hindi was different, hyderabadi attitude was different. In short, Hyderabad and hyderabadis, were unique.
Today, the city is centered at Panjagutta, somajiguda, Khairatabad (prasads + ntr garden), begumpet, ameerpet areas. Abids is not crowded. Roads near LB stadium, basheerbagh are relatively free of traffic compared to panjagutta chowrasta. We could drive through sultan bazaar, find parking, get our shopping done with literally no crowds on a weekday evening. We had much harder time parking in hyderabad central. Hindi is accepted these days, but the language of choice is telugu. Very few hindi movies play and even those don't play for very long. I doubt, if we'll see sholay run for 365 continuous days in the present day hyderabad or even deewar playing for 100 days.
This hyderabad, feels a lot like a big vijayawada. May be more open and welcoming to all cultures and languages, but it feels like a distinctly telugu city trying to become a metro, than a historical hindu/muslim city that is a cultural bridge.
I guess these changes are good and economic boom is great. I am just being a bit nostalgic. The hyderabadi unique character is now missing in hyderabad.
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On 10/25/06, R wrote:
Yes. When I was there in last July what we found was that there was a large rural population celebrating the Bonnalu for Durga. The were doing it Mumbai style with collections etc. Twenty years ago such an event was for the lower classes in a subdued manner. Now even the CM and Oppo leaders attend the pandals. The upper classes are not so overt in displaying thier piety. I encoruaged quite few people to support the bonnalu.
The city center is shifting towards Punjagutta and Jubilee Hills towards High Tech City. In another 20 years it might move further leaving old Hyderabad as Puran Quila.
At same time there are a large number of Churches in urban houses and enroute to Bhadrachalam.
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Question:
What were the reasons for the Nizam's dominions to be split in Karnataka, Maharashtra, and AP?
Did the state consider it too dangerous for the Muslim power base to stay consolidated in one state. If that indeed was one of the objectives, then it does seem to be working as it has weakened the Islamist power base in the Deccan by dividing the population and thus making it easier for the individual states to deal with them.
On 10/26/06,R wrote:
The stated reasons were to give linguistic majority areas contiguity preference. I also think it has created a Westphalian construct in India which has preserved peace and stability. But Savarkar in his letters from Andaman, was worried that such linguistic states could foster centrifugal forces. Only TN with its Dravidian concepts is the issue. Couple that with SL Tamil insurrection.
If you look at history of the Bahmani, the successor states and Vijayanagara kingdoms you see that the Nizam got a lot of territory which shouldnt be in is possession. Telengana suffered a lot of dhimmitude. I dont know how Osmanabad etc are in Maharashtra and Karnataka.
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P wrote:
Wrt to the discussion we had on Hyderabad, is it possible that one reason for so many blasts in Hyderabad is the muslim frustruation at getting gerrymandered and losing their privileges there. What I mean to say is that while IM angst at the nuke is okay, but their are local factors at play here too due to which Hyderabad is a fertile ground for sleeper cells.
Why are we not seeing similar things happening in Bhopal (which AFAIK also has a substantial IM pop). Why is Bhopal such a tranquil place compared to Hyd?
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BTW, x-posting from BR as it is relevant here. Rearranged chronologically.
E-Mail Discussion between some members:
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P Wrote
I guess it's not a surprise to hear that Hyderabad has changed in the last decade or so. As is the common case with a economically vibrant city, hyderabad attracted a lot of folks from surrounding areas and the population grew tremendously. New people bring their own culture, and hyderabad changed. Hyderabad used to be a unique city in india in a lot of ways. Back in the 80s/90s,
It's part of south india, but perhaps only city where north indians felt comfortable to live and work in. People in madras, didn't know hindi and were somewhat hostile to north indians. While Bangalore was a nice city, language problems existed and there wasn't a decent sized north indian community. It's part of andhra pradesh, but people from andhra were intimidated to visit hyderabad. The indimidation factor ? Language problem We used to share a joke, that hyderabad is one place where to telugu natives meet and converse in hindi. Hindi (or Urdu - my words) was *the* language, Auto drivers acted as if they didn't understand telugu, rickshaw drivers had that unique "lungi with belt" look adopted by amitabh in desh premee. There were just as many theatres playing hindi movies as there were for telugu. In fact, the top movie theatre in hyderabad during the 80s (Maheshwari/Parameshwari) rarely played telugu movies! Old city was really old, I mean 400 years old. Old city meant, charminar and south of charminar. City center was Kothi, Abids, Nampally, Basheerbagh. I guess i can keep listing some of these things, but there was a character to the city. It was not a hustly bustly north indian city, nor it was culturally inward focused south indian town/city. Hyderabadi hindi was different, hyderabadi attitude was different. In short, Hyderabad and hyderabadis, were unique.
Today, the city is centered at Panjagutta, somajiguda, Khairatabad (prasads + ntr garden), begumpet, ameerpet areas. Abids is not crowded. Roads near LB stadium, basheerbagh are relatively free of traffic compared to panjagutta chowrasta. We could drive through sultan bazaar, find parking, get our shopping done with literally no crowds on a weekday evening. We had much harder time parking in hyderabad central. Hindi is accepted these days, but the language of choice is telugu. Very few hindi movies play and even those don't play for very long. I doubt, if we'll see sholay run for 365 continuous days in the present day hyderabad or even deewar playing for 100 days.
This hyderabad, feels a lot like a big vijayawada. May be more open and welcoming to all cultures and languages, but it feels like a distinctly telugu city trying to become a metro, than a historical hindu/muslim city that is a cultural bridge.
I guess these changes are good and economic boom is great. I am just being a bit nostalgic. The hyderabadi unique character is now missing in hyderabad.
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On 10/25/06, R wrote:
Yes. When I was there in last July what we found was that there was a large rural population celebrating the Bonnalu for Durga. The were doing it Mumbai style with collections etc. Twenty years ago such an event was for the lower classes in a subdued manner. Now even the CM and Oppo leaders attend the pandals. The upper classes are not so overt in displaying thier piety. I encoruaged quite few people to support the bonnalu.
The city center is shifting towards Punjagutta and Jubilee Hills towards High Tech City. In another 20 years it might move further leaving old Hyderabad as Puran Quila.
At same time there are a large number of Churches in urban houses and enroute to Bhadrachalam.
-
Question:
What were the reasons for the Nizam's dominions to be split in Karnataka, Maharashtra, and AP?
Did the state consider it too dangerous for the Muslim power base to stay consolidated in one state. If that indeed was one of the objectives, then it does seem to be working as it has weakened the Islamist power base in the Deccan by dividing the population and thus making it easier for the individual states to deal with them.
On 10/26/06,R wrote:
The stated reasons were to give linguistic majority areas contiguity preference. I also think it has created a Westphalian construct in India which has preserved peace and stability. But Savarkar in his letters from Andaman, was worried that such linguistic states could foster centrifugal forces. Only TN with its Dravidian concepts is the issue. Couple that with SL Tamil insurrection.
If you look at history of the Bahmani, the successor states and Vijayanagara kingdoms you see that the Nizam got a lot of territory which shouldnt be in is possession. Telengana suffered a lot of dhimmitude. I dont know how Osmanabad etc are in Maharashtra and Karnataka.
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P wrote:
Wrt to the discussion we had on Hyderabad, is it possible that one reason for so many blasts in Hyderabad is the muslim frustruation at getting gerrymandered and losing their privileges there. What I mean to say is that while IM angst at the nuke is okay, but their are local factors at play here too due to which Hyderabad is a fertile ground for sleeper cells.
Why are we not seeing similar things happening in Bhopal (which AFAIK also has a substantial IM pop). Why is Bhopal such a tranquil place compared to Hyd?
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