Post 197:
<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+Sep 14 2007, 06:28 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ Sep 14 2007, 06:28 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I beleive AIT and neandro theory (NT) are incompatible.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Acharya, who is the 'I' in that post? And/or are there several?
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->From what I saw on <b>Discovery channel</b>, the neanderthals were pushed out of the Asian region by an expanding HS population. Then they were pushed out of the southern parts of Europe as the ice age was withdrawing. Then finally when the neanos reached the northern coasts of Europe, and could not withdraw any more, they intermixed with the HS population. That's why you will find more 'blonde hair and blue eyes' in northern Europe.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->When I was studying biology many moons ago, some scientists considered interbreeding might have taken place between the two hominids whereas others thought it might not have happened. What's the state of affairs now? Any certainty?
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Now, where did the expanding HS population come from? Why, from India of course, Smile . Mind you India is the only region in the old world which is largely unaffected by an ice age. Twisted Evil<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->From docos I've watched and from school, I learnt that either HS expanded from Africa or... drat, there was some other theory as well.
Alright. Here. African origin in spread of H Sapiens is one of the two theses under consideration. The following also emanates from Discovery Channel, from one of their pages for kids:
http://school.discoveryeducation.com/lesso...ms/neanderthal/
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Explain that scientists believe that Homo sapiens (modern man) first appeared about 120,000 years ago, which means they coexisted with the Neanderthals. Scientists have two theories about the relationship between modern Homo sapiens and Neanderthals:
<b>Out of Africa:</b> The theory states that Homo sapiens first lived in Africa and eventually traveled into Europe and Asia. These humans had evolutionary advantages that allowed them to outliveâand perhaps cause the extinction ofâall other hominid groups (as opposed to apes) such as Neanderthal.
<b>Multiregional:</b> The theory states that modern Homo sapiens evolved from Neanderthal and other hominid groups in Europe and Asia.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, yes, the neanderthals did have red hair. In fact, red hair is considered a strong proof of neanderthal blood by anthropologists. In fact, the northern rim of Europe is filled with the decsendants of the mixed race of neanos and homo sapiens. <b>I guess that is why they committ so many genocides without batting an eyelid.</b>
The teutons are supposed to have the maximum amount of such blood. And remember that the Brits are descendants of Germans.
The three most heinous crimes of WW 2 - the nuclear bombing, the holocaust and the Dresden bombing - all were carried out by this mongrel race of asuras. It is not for nothing that we called them demons.
Original red haired was Godess Danu, pro-genitor of Danavas. Her offspring are spread from Ireland to Iran and carry the red haired gene.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Garbage! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> What arrogant nonsense. Nothing more than crappy racism; or specism, as the case may be.
What does it matter what someone's hair colour or ancestry is? That says nothing about their propensity/non-propensity towards ethical behaviour or anything else.
Loser anthropologists from christocolonial times may have thought the volume of a human's cranium and other 'measurements' to be indicative of people's savagery/civility, but now people (ought to) know better than to listen to that kind of spiel or be infected with that pattern of thinking. Hair or skin colour, pure or mixed hominid ancestry, or whatever strain of hominid ancestry does not code for any 'genocidal' trait.
For the root cause of genocidal behaviour one need look no further than memes. And memes certainly work independent of ancestry. Was it M Twain that said something like "There will always be bad people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things takes religion." (I'd replace 'religion' with 'bad ideology', since nasties like communism fit the bill just as well - else I agree with the statement by whoever it was.)
That the seat of global contagion for the first worldwide intolerant meme happened to be Europe (conditions there at the time were such that it unfortunately 'caught on'), does not mean that everyone elsewhere is immune.
Certain kinds of stupidity can infect anyone - but being wide open to infection by such strains of stupidity is unforgiveable IMO. But can such infected people please send their bacteria in some other direction, instead of coughing/writing/puking our way. The rest of the world doesn't want to catch an arduous chill, even though we've learnt to be mostly immune by now. (That was meant to whoever wrote that stuff, not to you Acharya.)
Says X to Y: "I'm better because I'm a pure Homo Sapiens."
Y retorts: "Nah. Neanderthalensis was better in every respect. So <i>I</i> am better because it's thought I have some HN ancestry."
What is this, kindergarten?
Racism, specism, whatever - people just need to drop it. Apparently there's something humans in our sad times find 'attractive' about trying to stereotype one or more populations based on some individuals' actions, and then compound their mistake by irrationally tying it back to people's 'looks' or ancestry.
The attractiveness of such loser thinking is lost on me. <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> I never stood for it when Dutch people used to call some girl or other "dumb blonde". Highly offensive. How would they like it if they had been born with blonde hair instead of brown/red and they had to live with such tacky statements flung their way? (Speaking as I find, blonde people - either gender - are no less clever nor more so than people with other hair colours, so I've no clue as to how that saying cropped up or even stuck).
But I think this new racism/specism fancy is even more tasteless.
As cats no doubt think of us: all you monkeys look alike <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> 's Good enough for me.
<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+Sep 14 2007, 06:28 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ Sep 14 2007, 06:28 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I beleive AIT and neandro theory (NT) are incompatible.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Acharya, who is the 'I' in that post? And/or are there several?
197:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->From what I saw on <b>Discovery channel</b>, the neanderthals were pushed out of the Asian region by an expanding HS population. Then they were pushed out of the southern parts of Europe as the ice age was withdrawing. Then finally when the neanos reached the northern coasts of Europe, and could not withdraw any more, they intermixed with the HS population. That's why you will find more 'blonde hair and blue eyes' in northern Europe.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->When I was studying biology many moons ago, some scientists considered interbreeding might have taken place between the two hominids whereas others thought it might not have happened. What's the state of affairs now? Any certainty?
197:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Now, where did the expanding HS population come from? Why, from India of course, Smile . Mind you India is the only region in the old world which is largely unaffected by an ice age. Twisted Evil<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->From docos I've watched and from school, I learnt that either HS expanded from Africa or... drat, there was some other theory as well.
Alright. Here. African origin in spread of H Sapiens is one of the two theses under consideration. The following also emanates from Discovery Channel, from one of their pages for kids:
http://school.discoveryeducation.com/lesso...ms/neanderthal/
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Explain that scientists believe that Homo sapiens (modern man) first appeared about 120,000 years ago, which means they coexisted with the Neanderthals. Scientists have two theories about the relationship between modern Homo sapiens and Neanderthals:
<b>Out of Africa:</b> The theory states that Homo sapiens first lived in Africa and eventually traveled into Europe and Asia. These humans had evolutionary advantages that allowed them to outliveâand perhaps cause the extinction ofâall other hominid groups (as opposed to apes) such as Neanderthal.
<b>Multiregional:</b> The theory states that modern Homo sapiens evolved from Neanderthal and other hominid groups in Europe and Asia.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
197:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, yes, the neanderthals did have red hair. In fact, red hair is considered a strong proof of neanderthal blood by anthropologists. In fact, the northern rim of Europe is filled with the decsendants of the mixed race of neanos and homo sapiens. <b>I guess that is why they committ so many genocides without batting an eyelid.</b>
The teutons are supposed to have the maximum amount of such blood. And remember that the Brits are descendants of Germans.
The three most heinous crimes of WW 2 - the nuclear bombing, the holocaust and the Dresden bombing - all were carried out by this mongrel race of asuras. It is not for nothing that we called them demons.
Original red haired was Godess Danu, pro-genitor of Danavas. Her offspring are spread from Ireland to Iran and carry the red haired gene.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Garbage! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> What arrogant nonsense. Nothing more than crappy racism; or specism, as the case may be.
What does it matter what someone's hair colour or ancestry is? That says nothing about their propensity/non-propensity towards ethical behaviour or anything else.
Loser anthropologists from christocolonial times may have thought the volume of a human's cranium and other 'measurements' to be indicative of people's savagery/civility, but now people (ought to) know better than to listen to that kind of spiel or be infected with that pattern of thinking. Hair or skin colour, pure or mixed hominid ancestry, or whatever strain of hominid ancestry does not code for any 'genocidal' trait.
For the root cause of genocidal behaviour one need look no further than memes. And memes certainly work independent of ancestry. Was it M Twain that said something like "There will always be bad people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things takes religion." (I'd replace 'religion' with 'bad ideology', since nasties like communism fit the bill just as well - else I agree with the statement by whoever it was.)
That the seat of global contagion for the first worldwide intolerant meme happened to be Europe (conditions there at the time were such that it unfortunately 'caught on'), does not mean that everyone elsewhere is immune.
Certain kinds of stupidity can infect anyone - but being wide open to infection by such strains of stupidity is unforgiveable IMO. But can such infected people please send their bacteria in some other direction, instead of coughing/writing/puking our way. The rest of the world doesn't want to catch an arduous chill, even though we've learnt to be mostly immune by now. (That was meant to whoever wrote that stuff, not to you Acharya.)
Says X to Y: "I'm better because I'm a pure Homo Sapiens."
Y retorts: "Nah. Neanderthalensis was better in every respect. So <i>I</i> am better because it's thought I have some HN ancestry."
What is this, kindergarten?
Racism, specism, whatever - people just need to drop it. Apparently there's something humans in our sad times find 'attractive' about trying to stereotype one or more populations based on some individuals' actions, and then compound their mistake by irrationally tying it back to people's 'looks' or ancestry.
The attractiveness of such loser thinking is lost on me. <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> I never stood for it when Dutch people used to call some girl or other "dumb blonde". Highly offensive. How would they like it if they had been born with blonde hair instead of brown/red and they had to live with such tacky statements flung their way? (Speaking as I find, blonde people - either gender - are no less clever nor more so than people with other hair colours, so I've no clue as to how that saying cropped up or even stuck).
But I think this new racism/specism fancy is even more tasteless.
As cats no doubt think of us: all you monkeys look alike <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> 's Good enough for me.