Post 47:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Congress rejects BJP`s demand for apology </b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(As stated in posts above, they've 'withdrawn' the affidavit without apologising, and plan to come out with a fresh response in 3 months time.)
I say it is a good thing, Congress not apologising. Good good. (Besides, we want no insincere apologies by people who only feel it incumbent upon them to rattle out "we're sorry" when they feel the effects of their nastiness pinching their wallet or fear they won't be re-elected. Once they have secured those things again, they will be back to singing the same old tune.)
But this whole event gives Hindus a great opportunity. It is not just any babble thumper or islamic or communist/dmk loser who has denied the existence of Rama. Because we're used to that. No no. It is the so-called 'secular' Indian govt that's put its foot in the banta poodoo.
So much the better. Because, now that they have torn up their end of the nasty psecular contract, that means we are no longer - EVER - bound by it again. (And remember - they did it first, so we are allowed to retaliate in stronger terms and means.)
They want to make the debate public, taking it even to political levels? Excellent! If Hindus had <b>any sense</b> they should take this chance with both hands and start making their move. Even though Sonia has predictably exhonerated herself from her input in the crime (realised she jumped the gun a bit early, huh? Was a bit tooooo secure that she got those Hindooooos already under her christoterrorist foot and could do what she wished), it's our chance to find out how she likes it in return. <b>Hindus ought to start publicing the facts of jeebus' non-existence all over India.</b> Start quoting those franciscan monks and archaeologists who excavated in 'nazareth' in a desperate bid to prove jeebus' existence only to find it proved the opposite. Publicise the facts concerning the alleged 'eye-witness' accounts of jeebus: all forged, strained or - as the church puts it in its disingenous way - 'interpolated'. Tell everyone how the stories of jeebus' resurrection and miraculous birth were added in later - as notable bible scholars have shown. Tell all Indians how the Sermon on the Mount could never have been said by jeebus of christianism because it is known to have been added in later. And there's infinitely more.
We can do serious damage to the objective of christianising India without requiring any more effort than typing or translating or republishing existing news/other material. Sending Sonia's beloved terrorist beliefs crumbling to the dust and dousing all the hope of the missionaries to make some more sheep. They will never recover. And it will make christoconvert terrorists feel the brunt of insults for a change - though christos may find these to be insults, in reality these are no more than well-known facts that were carefully hidden from them (unlike the christoterrorist lies against Shiva, Rama, Kali).
Put it on the news, on TV channels. <b>It should no longer be deemed unsecular when our own 'secular' Indian govt has set the example here.</b> They broke their end of that hateful psecular bargain once, now all agreements of supposed 'mutual silence' are off (thus far it had only ever been one way in practise, what with Sonia-sanctioned missionaries howling disgusting untruths in Hindus' ears). Never be tricked into the psecular sham deal again.
Make them sorry they ever made the mistake of trying to mess with us from this angle. When the enemy makes a fatal move, it is foolish to not call them out on it and take full advantage. The losers shouldn't have chosen this pathetic strategy, but now it's our move. Do not be carried away with feelings of pity for 'their feelings' - remember, they have none for us. Besides, they are better off without [<- corrected error: previously mistyped 'without' as 'with' instead] the ideology of christoterrorism ruling their lives. (Sparing feelings in this case is not compassion but just pity; if one were compassionate one would have told them the truth a long time ago and spared them the deception, the debilitating fears of hell, and the nurturing of christoislami intolerance that's poisoned them.)
It is only out of consideration for how christoislamic terrorists might feel upon discovery of their religions' lies that Hindus had collectively held off from attacking the same religions. But now all bets are off, why should we remain on the bench when it's our turn to bat? All the damage they can do by stating 'Rama was not real' can only amount to hurting Hindu sentiments (and really, what has been said here that the christocolonials had not said already: "myths, myths, myths"). <b>The damage we can do by disseminating knowledge on jeebus' non-existence will send them into a tailspin they won't ever recover from. We could crush the hopes/pretensions of christianism in India - completely, if we play our cards well.</b>
And if ever we feel like apologising - only as a sign of PR goodwill in return for KKKongress' inevitable, if delayed, PR apology - then do it as follows: "We are sorry to have circulated the facts so widely. It was unsecular of us to do so, even though it was ALL TRUE what we said. Jeebus never existed. Sorry. Again: it was unsecular to tell the painful truth to your faces."
Not all energy should be expended on protesting, expecting apologies from those who would never mean it if they did apologise anyway. Now's the time to make up for lost ground. If Hindus do not take this opportunity, but stick to just protesting, they would have been further gone into psecularism than I feared and beyond hope of curing.
I think it was HH who once said we should learn be like the Varaha: that when others toss mud onto us, we shouldn't waste time getting rid of the mud, but toss more back their way (Varahas being better at the game than them, we can be more effective!) Once they're fully covered and beyond all hope of getting out from the slime, we can at our leisure clean ourselves up nicely again.
About post 48 - statement in red below:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Sri Sri raps government for Ram affidavit</b>
The founder of the Art of Living Foundation said it would be wrong to assume Lord Ram was a mythological character and not real because there was no scientific evidence to prove his existence.
"There were unproven miracles in the lives of religious figures of other faiths. If we dismiss Lord Ram as a fictitious character, then we have to dismiss all miracles in the lives of Jesus, Moses and Mohammed as myths," he said.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I have an addition to make to Sri Sri's statement (in red) above: However, if jeebus et al were dismissed as myths, the matter says nothing about Rama. Rama's history is independent of jeebus and the others.
Without jeebus, though, mohammed can have no claims to prophethood (as one of the key 'other prophets' listed would be crossed off; as it is, wasn't Alexander the Great listed as one of the prophets as well...? If so, the case for mohammed's prophethood is even more ridiculous.)
Post 58 - this is stupid - why do christoislamics always need to resort to "faith":
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hurriyat backs Ram Sethu, says faith needs no proof</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(They're just afraid this declaration of the KKKongress could one day be used on them.)
They've got the issue all wrong. It is not a matter of blind faith. We do not require proof to be inspired by our Gods and heroes, we're not christoislamis. To us Rama existed; even just the very <i>Idea</i> of Him is worth all the world over. (Whose inspiration happens to be the best antidote against the genocidal memes of christoislamicommunazism.)
Besides, we do not suffer from the kind of unreasonable selective trust they display:
- trusting the Greek version of history (including their records on the outcomes of their wars with Persia) whilst not trusting the Persians - all while the latter were known for not lying;
- trusting fudged European history but not China's;
- saying that anyone who didn't write down "I was there" in stone did not exist (so that includes ancestors of Australian Aboriginals, many African peoples, many Asian communities, many S and N American communities... None of them existed apparently, because not only did they not leave behind any literature about themselves, their ancestors didn't leave a sworn statement of their presence in stone either! These ridiculous demands on 'proof' have now placed them on a worse footing than Hindus! This is something Mudy already remarked about in a post hereabouts.)
- blindly trusting the babble and demanding proof of jeebus non-existence (when the burden of proof should actually be on the jeebusites' end, because jeebus of the gospels is only 'testified' to in the gospels). And even when overwhelming proof is given that jeebus could not have existed - proof sourced from the impossibly contradictory gospels themselves, no less - these are ignored and hidden from the public.
- giving credence to mohammed's 'miraculous' experiences and to his delusions of some monstrous 'deity' communicating with him.
- Islamic historic records are afforded all trust. And this is solely because western historians and western-minded historians can recognise only one form of 'history-writing': their own kind, the one they're familiar with, written in the style and manner they understand. That's why Francis Xavier really could speak in all the languages of Babel (yeah right) and why Eusebius is still marshalled as evidence for church history - despite all the things he wrote that are known to be blatant falsification and outright invention.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Congress rejects BJP`s demand for apology </b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(As stated in posts above, they've 'withdrawn' the affidavit without apologising, and plan to come out with a fresh response in 3 months time.)
I say it is a good thing, Congress not apologising. Good good. (Besides, we want no insincere apologies by people who only feel it incumbent upon them to rattle out "we're sorry" when they feel the effects of their nastiness pinching their wallet or fear they won't be re-elected. Once they have secured those things again, they will be back to singing the same old tune.)
But this whole event gives Hindus a great opportunity. It is not just any babble thumper or islamic or communist/dmk loser who has denied the existence of Rama. Because we're used to that. No no. It is the so-called 'secular' Indian govt that's put its foot in the banta poodoo.
So much the better. Because, now that they have torn up their end of the nasty psecular contract, that means we are no longer - EVER - bound by it again. (And remember - they did it first, so we are allowed to retaliate in stronger terms and means.)
They want to make the debate public, taking it even to political levels? Excellent! If Hindus had <b>any sense</b> they should take this chance with both hands and start making their move. Even though Sonia has predictably exhonerated herself from her input in the crime (realised she jumped the gun a bit early, huh? Was a bit tooooo secure that she got those Hindooooos already under her christoterrorist foot and could do what she wished), it's our chance to find out how she likes it in return. <b>Hindus ought to start publicing the facts of jeebus' non-existence all over India.</b> Start quoting those franciscan monks and archaeologists who excavated in 'nazareth' in a desperate bid to prove jeebus' existence only to find it proved the opposite. Publicise the facts concerning the alleged 'eye-witness' accounts of jeebus: all forged, strained or - as the church puts it in its disingenous way - 'interpolated'. Tell everyone how the stories of jeebus' resurrection and miraculous birth were added in later - as notable bible scholars have shown. Tell all Indians how the Sermon on the Mount could never have been said by jeebus of christianism because it is known to have been added in later. And there's infinitely more.
We can do serious damage to the objective of christianising India without requiring any more effort than typing or translating or republishing existing news/other material. Sending Sonia's beloved terrorist beliefs crumbling to the dust and dousing all the hope of the missionaries to make some more sheep. They will never recover. And it will make christoconvert terrorists feel the brunt of insults for a change - though christos may find these to be insults, in reality these are no more than well-known facts that were carefully hidden from them (unlike the christoterrorist lies against Shiva, Rama, Kali).
Put it on the news, on TV channels. <b>It should no longer be deemed unsecular when our own 'secular' Indian govt has set the example here.</b> They broke their end of that hateful psecular bargain once, now all agreements of supposed 'mutual silence' are off (thus far it had only ever been one way in practise, what with Sonia-sanctioned missionaries howling disgusting untruths in Hindus' ears). Never be tricked into the psecular sham deal again.
Make them sorry they ever made the mistake of trying to mess with us from this angle. When the enemy makes a fatal move, it is foolish to not call them out on it and take full advantage. The losers shouldn't have chosen this pathetic strategy, but now it's our move. Do not be carried away with feelings of pity for 'their feelings' - remember, they have none for us. Besides, they are better off without [<- corrected error: previously mistyped 'without' as 'with' instead] the ideology of christoterrorism ruling their lives. (Sparing feelings in this case is not compassion but just pity; if one were compassionate one would have told them the truth a long time ago and spared them the deception, the debilitating fears of hell, and the nurturing of christoislami intolerance that's poisoned them.)
It is only out of consideration for how christoislamic terrorists might feel upon discovery of their religions' lies that Hindus had collectively held off from attacking the same religions. But now all bets are off, why should we remain on the bench when it's our turn to bat? All the damage they can do by stating 'Rama was not real' can only amount to hurting Hindu sentiments (and really, what has been said here that the christocolonials had not said already: "myths, myths, myths"). <b>The damage we can do by disseminating knowledge on jeebus' non-existence will send them into a tailspin they won't ever recover from. We could crush the hopes/pretensions of christianism in India - completely, if we play our cards well.</b>
And if ever we feel like apologising - only as a sign of PR goodwill in return for KKKongress' inevitable, if delayed, PR apology - then do it as follows: "We are sorry to have circulated the facts so widely. It was unsecular of us to do so, even though it was ALL TRUE what we said. Jeebus never existed. Sorry. Again: it was unsecular to tell the painful truth to your faces."
Not all energy should be expended on protesting, expecting apologies from those who would never mean it if they did apologise anyway. Now's the time to make up for lost ground. If Hindus do not take this opportunity, but stick to just protesting, they would have been further gone into psecularism than I feared and beyond hope of curing.
I think it was HH who once said we should learn be like the Varaha: that when others toss mud onto us, we shouldn't waste time getting rid of the mud, but toss more back their way (Varahas being better at the game than them, we can be more effective!) Once they're fully covered and beyond all hope of getting out from the slime, we can at our leisure clean ourselves up nicely again.
About post 48 - statement in red below:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Sri Sri raps government for Ram affidavit</b>
The founder of the Art of Living Foundation said it would be wrong to assume Lord Ram was a mythological character and not real because there was no scientific evidence to prove his existence.
"There were unproven miracles in the lives of religious figures of other faiths. If we dismiss Lord Ram as a fictitious character, then we have to dismiss all miracles in the lives of Jesus, Moses and Mohammed as myths," he said.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I have an addition to make to Sri Sri's statement (in red) above: However, if jeebus et al were dismissed as myths, the matter says nothing about Rama. Rama's history is independent of jeebus and the others.
Without jeebus, though, mohammed can have no claims to prophethood (as one of the key 'other prophets' listed would be crossed off; as it is, wasn't Alexander the Great listed as one of the prophets as well...? If so, the case for mohammed's prophethood is even more ridiculous.)
Post 58 - this is stupid - why do christoislamics always need to resort to "faith":
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hurriyat backs Ram Sethu, says faith needs no proof</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(They're just afraid this declaration of the KKKongress could one day be used on them.)
They've got the issue all wrong. It is not a matter of blind faith. We do not require proof to be inspired by our Gods and heroes, we're not christoislamis. To us Rama existed; even just the very <i>Idea</i> of Him is worth all the world over. (Whose inspiration happens to be the best antidote against the genocidal memes of christoislamicommunazism.)
Besides, we do not suffer from the kind of unreasonable selective trust they display:
- trusting the Greek version of history (including their records on the outcomes of their wars with Persia) whilst not trusting the Persians - all while the latter were known for not lying;
- trusting fudged European history but not China's;
- saying that anyone who didn't write down "I was there" in stone did not exist (so that includes ancestors of Australian Aboriginals, many African peoples, many Asian communities, many S and N American communities... None of them existed apparently, because not only did they not leave behind any literature about themselves, their ancestors didn't leave a sworn statement of their presence in stone either! These ridiculous demands on 'proof' have now placed them on a worse footing than Hindus! This is something Mudy already remarked about in a post hereabouts.)
- blindly trusting the babble and demanding proof of jeebus non-existence (when the burden of proof should actually be on the jeebusites' end, because jeebus of the gospels is only 'testified' to in the gospels). And even when overwhelming proof is given that jeebus could not have existed - proof sourced from the impossibly contradictory gospels themselves, no less - these are ignored and hidden from the public.
- giving credence to mohammed's 'miraculous' experiences and to his delusions of some monstrous 'deity' communicating with him.
- Islamic historic records are afforded all trust. And this is solely because western historians and western-minded historians can recognise only one form of 'history-writing': their own kind, the one they're familiar with, written in the style and manner they understand. That's why Francis Xavier really could speak in all the languages of Babel (yeah right) and why Eusebius is still marshalled as evidence for church history - despite all the things he wrote that are known to be blatant falsification and outright invention.