06-26-2004, 11:03 PM
This is a very interesting thread...
It is definitely true that there is much confusion about what Hindutva means...or even Hinduism.
We have various definitions by scholars...sympathetic to Hindutva/Hinduism and by scholars who are not.
However...I really don't think that should bother us much. Please remember that various "settled" isms..are still debated today...as to their real meanings.We have debates on what is Fascism...on what is Democracy...Communism...and so on..
In light of these facts...I think we can have certain measures..For instance..the record of these various systems..and how their leaders define or explain their programmes...in order to "judge" these systems..
While reading the articles posted...I sensed that we really are not listening to people who speak about their beliefs...Contrarily...we form opinions that support our prejudices and close our eyes and ears to what actually is..
More mischievous is the practice of "silence". We become so silent to our own weaknesses and wrongsdoings...
There is a lot being written about Hinduisms' evils. Caste...untouchability...etc. This is not disputed. And for those that think otherwise...let me explain further...I..as a Hindu...can and will denounce anybody..how so ever high and mighty..in Hindu society...if they justify these practices.And let me add...without fear of being hounded or killed.
This is being done today! There are so many people willing to smear Hinduism only because they know they will be safe. The Hindus themselves do this...and more so their enemies. There are no reprisals.
I have not seen such behaviour in the former Soviet Union, present China, any of the so called liberal Islamic countries..let nothing be said about Orthodox Islamic countries.
The BJP ruled this country for six years. What Fascism did anybody see??You say Gujarat? Even that would not have happended without Godhra.
What adverse opinions were crushed? What newspaper was banned?? What ridicule was not poured on the Hindus...even in those six years of "Hindu" rule??!
So...tell me about Fascism..
For those who speak lightly about caste atrocities and such like....I want to say this..Hindu society does not deny this injustice...and has and is making amends!
I also notice the fact that "lower" castes stand by their co religionists is not liked by some people...they wonder...what idiots!..How can they side with the wrethched Brahmins..and the other oppressers?? They must be insane..!
I say this...they will find their answers if they read Ambedkar. And use their common sense....*If the people were so unhappy with Brahmins...why did they all not convert to Islam when it was at its peak?? Why did so many of them in fact fight Islam when they could?? Shivaji's army was not upper caste...
Now...lets come to the point..
Where do our enemies stand....?
When they want to abuse Hindutva...they say...Hinduism is so nice and cultured..then...when scratched a little...we get to know that they hate Hinduism too!
They don't like the way Hinduism exists...they despise the Hindus and their culture...make no mistake...but listen..funnily..they don't like it when Hindus want to "change" it too....our enemies say we want to Semitise ourselves...now is that bad?? Wait...they say..Hinduism is bad as compared to other religions...and when we want to change and behave like others...they say...Look!! These scoundrels want to be Semitic!! This is bad!! * Well..the fact is Hinduism is not changing..*
They dislike our heroes...Vivekananda, Aurobindo..et all. But when we "appropriate" them...they come to our heroes defence! They say Vivekananda was secular..he was a good Hindu..!
This was always going to take the cake...The Uniform Civil Code is a secular agenda..yet our seculars and non seculars..(meaning anti Hindus)..say its communal! Personal Laws are Secular!
Art 30 is secular because it "protects" the minorities..their privileges.. it is surely communal to extend the same right to Hindus!
This class is silent when Hindus are hounded in Pakistan..and Bangladesh and a hundred other countries....but they want to mourn for Iraq...and Bangladeshi infiltrators! Do we even know that Hindu refujees in Rajasthan (From Pakistan) havn't even been granted citizenship in India yet?
The "upholders" of caste are given publicity...not those who work against caste! Any Hindu working against it is a conspirator...wanting to entrap the "lower" castes!
There are more examples...but I repeat what others have said..
So...should we listen to our enemies speak about us?? Should we not form our own opinions?
We should listen to them...and form our own opinions.
When I say enemies of Hinduism or the Hindus...I mean all those who by design want to undermine this society and the country it thrives in.
There is a lot of work ahead...and much learning.
All I would like our detractors to do is substantiate what they say...instead of parroting others...or plainly peddle lies!
It is definitely true that there is much confusion about what Hindutva means...or even Hinduism.
We have various definitions by scholars...sympathetic to Hindutva/Hinduism and by scholars who are not.
However...I really don't think that should bother us much. Please remember that various "settled" isms..are still debated today...as to their real meanings.We have debates on what is Fascism...on what is Democracy...Communism...and so on..
In light of these facts...I think we can have certain measures..For instance..the record of these various systems..and how their leaders define or explain their programmes...in order to "judge" these systems..
While reading the articles posted...I sensed that we really are not listening to people who speak about their beliefs...Contrarily...we form opinions that support our prejudices and close our eyes and ears to what actually is..
More mischievous is the practice of "silence". We become so silent to our own weaknesses and wrongsdoings...
There is a lot being written about Hinduisms' evils. Caste...untouchability...etc. This is not disputed. And for those that think otherwise...let me explain further...I..as a Hindu...can and will denounce anybody..how so ever high and mighty..in Hindu society...if they justify these practices.And let me add...without fear of being hounded or killed.
This is being done today! There are so many people willing to smear Hinduism only because they know they will be safe. The Hindus themselves do this...and more so their enemies. There are no reprisals.
I have not seen such behaviour in the former Soviet Union, present China, any of the so called liberal Islamic countries..let nothing be said about Orthodox Islamic countries.
The BJP ruled this country for six years. What Fascism did anybody see??You say Gujarat? Even that would not have happended without Godhra.
What adverse opinions were crushed? What newspaper was banned?? What ridicule was not poured on the Hindus...even in those six years of "Hindu" rule??!
So...tell me about Fascism..
For those who speak lightly about caste atrocities and such like....I want to say this..Hindu society does not deny this injustice...and has and is making amends!
I also notice the fact that "lower" castes stand by their co religionists is not liked by some people...they wonder...what idiots!..How can they side with the wrethched Brahmins..and the other oppressers?? They must be insane..!
I say this...they will find their answers if they read Ambedkar. And use their common sense....*If the people were so unhappy with Brahmins...why did they all not convert to Islam when it was at its peak?? Why did so many of them in fact fight Islam when they could?? Shivaji's army was not upper caste...
Now...lets come to the point..
Where do our enemies stand....?
When they want to abuse Hindutva...they say...Hinduism is so nice and cultured..then...when scratched a little...we get to know that they hate Hinduism too!
They don't like the way Hinduism exists...they despise the Hindus and their culture...make no mistake...but listen..funnily..they don't like it when Hindus want to "change" it too....our enemies say we want to Semitise ourselves...now is that bad?? Wait...they say..Hinduism is bad as compared to other religions...and when we want to change and behave like others...they say...Look!! These scoundrels want to be Semitic!! This is bad!! * Well..the fact is Hinduism is not changing..*
They dislike our heroes...Vivekananda, Aurobindo..et all. But when we "appropriate" them...they come to our heroes defence! They say Vivekananda was secular..he was a good Hindu..!
This was always going to take the cake...The Uniform Civil Code is a secular agenda..yet our seculars and non seculars..(meaning anti Hindus)..say its communal! Personal Laws are Secular!
Art 30 is secular because it "protects" the minorities..their privileges.. it is surely communal to extend the same right to Hindus!
This class is silent when Hindus are hounded in Pakistan..and Bangladesh and a hundred other countries....but they want to mourn for Iraq...and Bangladeshi infiltrators! Do we even know that Hindu refujees in Rajasthan (From Pakistan) havn't even been granted citizenship in India yet?
The "upholders" of caste are given publicity...not those who work against caste! Any Hindu working against it is a conspirator...wanting to entrap the "lower" castes!
There are more examples...but I repeat what others have said..
So...should we listen to our enemies speak about us?? Should we not form our own opinions?
We should listen to them...and form our own opinions.
When I say enemies of Hinduism or the Hindus...I mean all those who by design want to undermine this society and the country it thrives in.
There is a lot of work ahead...and much learning.
All I would like our detractors to do is substantiate what they say...instead of parroting others...or plainly peddle lies!