<!--QuoteBegin-ashyam+Oct 14 2007, 12:57 PM-->QUOTE(ashyam @ Oct 14 2007, 12:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Many Hindus are working on to prove that jesus christ never existed.[right][snapback]74280[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Which Hindus are that? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> And why would they bother when it's already been proven by many that jesus of christianism never could have existed (though christians haven't been listening and the churches have been suppressing it).
Any Hindus considering redoing the proof should stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Talk about waste of time. Also, very few if any Hindus could ever know as much about christianism as theologically educated western ex-priests. (Indian ex-priests can't know as much, as one would have to know a lot about European christianism in particular.)
Next to that, there'd be way too much to learn for us Hindus: ex-priests wasted most of their lifetimes to learn every little detail of their religion and that's why they could disprove it when they left their religion. Through their efforts in disproving it, they felt their time had not been wasted after all if they were able to save others the trouble of getting into the fraud that is christianism.
If you know any such Hindus, Ashyam, point them to the literature out there already on the non-existence of jeebus. Let them show that to their still-misled friends. Sites like atheists.org's christianism pages and books like Atwill's (the person Dhu brought up) and other such material. And something called the jesus seminar: somewhere I read how these are a group who're logging all the things that jesus *didn't* say and *didn't* do, though the bible *said* he said/did... Found it quite shocking at first.
See here - may have C&Ped this somewhere here before - but the truth's been out a long time (courtesy theologically-educated persons), but church fellows buried it, as it says. Check the dates.
( http://freetruth.50webs.org/B2d.htm#JesusAndNT )
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>A Short History of the Bible, Being A Popular Account of the Formation and Development of the Canon</i>, by Bronson C. Keeler:
The Authorities. The writings of the Christian Fathers, the ecclesiastical history of Eusebius - the oldest Christian history now extant - and the modern works, On the Canon of the New Testament, by Brooke Foss Westcott, D.D., and The Canon of the Bible, by Prof. Samuel Davidson, D.D., LL.D., are the sources from which the information must chiefly be drawn.
As some of the statements from <b>Prof. Davidson</b> will appear to the general reader quite remarkable, a word or two in explanation may be necessary. He is an Englishman, in <b>the recognized head and front of the Protestant students of the world</b>. He is eighty-three years of age, has spent a life in the study of these topics, is <b>one of the ablest if not the ablest authority now living on the subject of the canon ... He was requested by the editors of the new edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica to write the article on the Canon for that work, and accepted the commission, supposing that what they desired was the facts. He told how the Bible had been made up, what books had been put in at different times and what left out, and that the Bible had not always consisted of just the books now in it. When the editors read the article, they declined to publish it as it was. They "mutilated" it, as Prof. Davidson says, and what was left after the eliminating process was completed now appears in the Encyclopedia as the article on the Canon. Prof. Davidson then published the original in book form, entitling it The Canon of the Bible, and in the preface he tells why he issued it. It is from that work that I quote so frequently.</b>
The inexperienced person has little idea of the difficulty which the critical party finds in getting its facts before the public; nor of <b>the systematic suppression used by the Christian press and clergy to prevent unpleasant truths concerning the Christian religion from coming out.</b> There is not an orthodox religious newspaper in the world that will publish the facts concerning the origin of the Bible, which are given in these pages; there is scarcely a magazine in America that will publish them; and it is but recently that any newspaper would do so. Men who know the Christian theology to be untrue, have to get their audience as best they can.
-- A Short History of the Bible, Bronson C. Keeler, 1881<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Note how the christian gag is still on, over a hundred years later.<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Those graduating in religious studies from every major university in America, as well as every major theological seminary that is independent of Christian financial pressure, know certain facts to be true.</b>
They know that:
- The entire bible is saturated with common mythological themes, from the creation and flood myth to virgin birth and resurrected hero mythology.
- The stories of the patriarchs in the Old Testament are known as 'temple legends' to enhance the history of the Hebrew people and are mostly fictional.
- The gospels were not written by anyone who knew Jesus personally.
- The 'Christ' myths and formulas are direct copies of Zoroastrian myths adopted by the Jesus sect.
- These facts, with others, have been known for years, and taught by internationally respected scholars from major universities world wide.
<b>Religiously educated clergy, through the sin of omission and silence, yet continue to promote superstition.</b>
-- William Edelen, Presbyterian and Congregational minister (1999)
Link http://www.secweb.org/index.aspx-action=...id=723.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Then there's Joseph McCabe - a British ex-Catholic priest who's described as having an 'encyclopaedic mind'. He shot one hole after another into even *traditional* christianism; that was maybe in the first half of last century. There was no hope left for that religion, except that his books were on the church's banned list. (Church told christians to stop their ears and sing "lalalalalala".) And now's there's that ultra-shocking evidence from Joseph Atwill and related people whom Dhu introduced us to.
Or for a short-short version of jesus' non-existence, you can summarise - for the benefit of friends - the conclusion which the heading "Canonical Gospels, Acts and the Pauline Epistles" (mid-way left column) works to. The proof by those theologians and other knowledgeable people ends when you come to the word "liar" in red.
If any christian still believes after finding out all that, then ... Well, I don't know what to say then really, except shake my head and feel deeply sorry for them. Better get their heads examined.
<!--QuoteBegin-ashyam+Oct 14 2007, 12:57 PM-->QUOTE(ashyam @ Oct 14 2007, 12:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Missionaries have pre-empted this effort by bringing the argument on existance of Lord Rama to the public and following conclusion that faith should never be questioned.[right][snapback]74280[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Faith would be the most pathetic answer ever. Only Hindus whose minds have been christoislamised can answer with something like "Faith" - accompanied by the usual christian hand-waving, I suppose. Hindus don't know what the word means.
In christianism the very idea of Faith and its central importance to their religion can be traced at least as far back as some church father or other who came up with this loser comeback to Greco-Roman religionists pointing out the ridiculousness of christianism: "I believe it <i>because</i> it is absurd." Can you imagine? Am laughing from here to Tokyo. We can even see it in the bible, there's this bit that says you have to be like a child or something. No, they're not trying to be complimentary to children, they want people to believe without questioning as they *imagine* children do.
Faith is the final resort of the christoislamist: when the final evidence against their religion has been given them, they excuse themselves by saying "but I have faith". ("Faith <i>because</i> it is absurdly impossible.") As if they've scored some hypothetical point. Although it's certain you can't touch that, because faith goes against all sense and logic - it's hot air that has to waft away by itself. You will find many a christian church or organisation out there shrieking that gawd and jeebus can only be found once you "have faith" and "abandoned reason". Yeah, I guess you can indeed find many a fictional character jumping about when you've abandoned all reason.... They can mail me a postcard authentically signed by the pink unicorn thanks.
Christianism revolves around, <i>depends</i> on, a historic jesus. No jesus means no christianism. The End of Faith. Christians (and islamis) have faith by numbers: if they lose flock in large numbers, many start doubting (other christians however have started seeing dwindling numbers as *proof* of jeebus too: because the NT covered its tracks using the predictable trick of saying that if people lose faith it means the 2nd coming is not too far off or something). If they gain flock - even when these are converted by foul means - they feel vindicated. Numbers of adherents prove their jeebus/islam - you know, just like the world really was flatter when all of christodom/islamidom believed it
arcasm
Concerning Hindus:
Rama's setting is too long ago to ever find any evidence to the contrary of his existence. And the evidence/indications in his favour can only be obtained from such things as traditions that exist in the length and breadth of our nation and into Sri Lanka and Nepal (and beyond), and such physical things as RamarSethu. Next to that, astrological and other evidence cannot be fabricated/cannot have been added later, so that serves as more deterministic support. Also family experiences can prove it for certain individuals. (Contrast this with the christoislami fundamental: you CANNOT ever see gawd during life. They used to burn anyone who said they'd had *any* spiritual vision; though I've not come across any of inquisitional times who dared to claim he'd seen jehovallah. Every christian knew jehovallah was off-limits, off the visibility radar.
On the other hand, Hinduism and other Natural Religions are full of people who have seen their Gods.)
I <i>think</i> missionaries and the US and Indian psecular anti-Hindus are all after Sethu for their own different reasons, though their interests align marvelously now so they feel confident to make the bold stroke:
- the last because it demeans Hindus even more when they rehash the old British "myth" device (DMK motives are even more transparent);
- the US because it has serious strategic interests here (as elsewhere in India and the subcontinent and beyond);
- the missionaries not only because destroying the Sethu would undermine Hinduism, but also because the church (esp. catholic) has always viewed it as a sign of spiritual conquest if they destroy others' sacred site. They feel their non-existent bedtime monster called 'gawd' has then won over the pagan/heathen/idolatrous/kaffiri religions and put an immovable foot on non-christian soil. Destroying and vandalising others' religious sites is something christians have always done. They're just doing it under a psecular cover this time. Cloaking. Make no mistake, christianism sees it as a religious duty to destroy non-christian sacred sites and temples.
(They even have the pope always coming on sacred days. I recall reading how he popped up uninvited in S Korea precisely on Buddha's Birthday and totally disturbed their celebrations. Yupp here.
I may be wrong about this: but wasn't the pope's visit to India during a Hindu festival too?
Anyway, anyone who thinks this behaviour is coincidence is wrong. Holy-roly-poly catholic church does this on purpose, because *they* see it as a sign of them gaining the spiritual upperhand in heathenish lands. Popes do this sort of thing religiously, it's them circling out a country for christian-attack: they're marking a beginning to what they envision as spiritual defeat of the extant non-christian religions.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->need to work out a strategy that considers this new situation.
[right][snapback]74280[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->One simple strategy:
(1) Need to remind people that the daft christoBrits said all the same things about our Gods that tyrant government has been saying. (All while christos from Britain simultaneously believed in their absurd jeebus-gawd in the sky that resurrected itself after killing itself to appease its own anger. Try and understand that, if you will!)
This is no new onslaught, it's one that has been going on since christoterrorism first set its claw on our shores.
When they say "myth" they mean "lies". (I didn't know that until recently, hence repeating it.)
(2) give people information on how christo govt is (a) not doing any research or (b) suppressing all positive evidence on Hindu history
(Like they suppressed results on Ayodhya investigation)
(3) Hindus need to be told about this: http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=73020
Can't help it - Repetition alert (Elst, from http://hamsa.org/appendix2.htm ):
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Remember the Ayodhya debate, where Hindu scholars were challenged to produce ever more solid proof of the traditions underlying the sacredness of the controversial site? Whatever proof they came up with was automatically, without any inspection, dismissed by the high priests of secularism as "myth" and "faked evidence". It was alleged that there was a "lack of proof" for the assumption that Rama ever lived there. But in the case of the Christian sacred places, we do not just have lack of proof that the religion's claim is true, but we have positive proof that its claim is untrue, and that it was historically part of a campaign of fraud and destruction.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(4) Hindus should be told exactly what's wrong with the jeebus fable. Let them compare that to (3)
How many Hindus today are on auto-pilot thinking that jeebus was real and yet regurgitate the christoBritish/missionary education that taught them that Hindu Gods are all "mythology". The least Hindus should do is say "jeebus is myth" back. Say it. It's true, so it must be said. It's certainly painful at first, we're not used to fingerpointing. But eventually it has to become second-nature. It is part of their victory if we do not say it. It's how christoislami psecularism wipes out tolerant religions: get one to be so tolerant you won't dare to identify a lie as a lie. Gets one so brainwashed, one starts thinking it's an 'offense' to say "hang on, that's totally unfactual".
(5) And Hindus should not misunderstand what "faith" means. Faith is absurdity precisely because it <i>absurdum est</i>. (Sorry. I never took Latin <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Hindus never had "Faith" (what christoislamis mean by "Faith"). Instead, Hindus have ancestors and relatives who tell them things of their own experiences; and even today some still see their Ishtadevams. And that's what Hindus have wrongly been terming 'faith' when they talk in English: referring to things they can't produce for others.
English sometimes doesn't mean what we (or, rather, I) think it means... In reality - unbeknownst to us Hindus - Faith actually means belief <i>against</i> all reason. Examples include the christian beliefs that the bible's content is true no matter what history says, that santa thomas did thus-and-so in spite of every fact arguing against it, and that jesus must have been from Nazareth though it was never there in the time of his alleged life.
What *Hindus* have is either primary or secondary knowledge: either a certainty, or experiences passed on from truthful relatives. We're certainly not unique in this, not special: Taoist friends' grandparents see their Gods (that's why they instantly accept and nod their heads to similar narrations from our end). So it isn't just Hindus.
But it's why Hindus can immediately recognise the following statement by Swami Devanand<b>a</b> Saraswati "Ishwar Sharan". (Goes without saying that Ishwar Sharan is a totally different person from the youtube's 'Devanand Saraswati' - the fraudulent person who calls himself a Shankaracharya)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I reached India in 1967 and immediately fell in love with Hindu civilization. It is the best civilization of the Great Mother Goddess. She is called Asherah in the Bible and the prophets are always cursing Her. As a small child I had seen Her once in a garden, and later I had read about Her in the Golden Bough. She has always cared for me, and like the great guru Shankara I believe that She is the liberator of man and the revealer of truth. I became a sannyasi because of Her. It is a sacrifice of love that I am still trying to perfect.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(Notice how christoislamis never even wonder <i>why</i> all us natural religionists "believe" in our Gods... Christians actually think we have "Faith" :blink)
Christoislamism is the one that's totally different from other religions: no gawd to be seen, heard or experienced. And the sheep are not even allowed to! Church is clear on that position. (Yet church and sheep claim to see their "devil" in everything! Yikes, what kind of religion is that?)
Their most brilliant trick ever (brilliant because I can't believe that people actually fall for this): you will see gawd *after* you are dead and have devoted your life to/wasted your life in christoislamiterrorism and terrorised/missionized others with it. If it wasn't all so sad, I might roll over laughing. People should demand proof up front; and if there's none that can be given them, there should at least be something meaningful about a religion's principles. Christoislamism fails on both counts.
Any Hindus considering redoing the proof should stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Talk about waste of time. Also, very few if any Hindus could ever know as much about christianism as theologically educated western ex-priests. (Indian ex-priests can't know as much, as one would have to know a lot about European christianism in particular.)
Next to that, there'd be way too much to learn for us Hindus: ex-priests wasted most of their lifetimes to learn every little detail of their religion and that's why they could disprove it when they left their religion. Through their efforts in disproving it, they felt their time had not been wasted after all if they were able to save others the trouble of getting into the fraud that is christianism.
If you know any such Hindus, Ashyam, point them to the literature out there already on the non-existence of jeebus. Let them show that to their still-misled friends. Sites like atheists.org's christianism pages and books like Atwill's (the person Dhu brought up) and other such material. And something called the jesus seminar: somewhere I read how these are a group who're logging all the things that jesus *didn't* say and *didn't* do, though the bible *said* he said/did... Found it quite shocking at first.
See here - may have C&Ped this somewhere here before - but the truth's been out a long time (courtesy theologically-educated persons), but church fellows buried it, as it says. Check the dates.
( http://freetruth.50webs.org/B2d.htm#JesusAndNT )
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>A Short History of the Bible, Being A Popular Account of the Formation and Development of the Canon</i>, by Bronson C. Keeler:
The Authorities. The writings of the Christian Fathers, the ecclesiastical history of Eusebius - the oldest Christian history now extant - and the modern works, On the Canon of the New Testament, by Brooke Foss Westcott, D.D., and The Canon of the Bible, by Prof. Samuel Davidson, D.D., LL.D., are the sources from which the information must chiefly be drawn.
As some of the statements from <b>Prof. Davidson</b> will appear to the general reader quite remarkable, a word or two in explanation may be necessary. He is an Englishman, in <b>the recognized head and front of the Protestant students of the world</b>. He is eighty-three years of age, has spent a life in the study of these topics, is <b>one of the ablest if not the ablest authority now living on the subject of the canon ... He was requested by the editors of the new edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica to write the article on the Canon for that work, and accepted the commission, supposing that what they desired was the facts. He told how the Bible had been made up, what books had been put in at different times and what left out, and that the Bible had not always consisted of just the books now in it. When the editors read the article, they declined to publish it as it was. They "mutilated" it, as Prof. Davidson says, and what was left after the eliminating process was completed now appears in the Encyclopedia as the article on the Canon. Prof. Davidson then published the original in book form, entitling it The Canon of the Bible, and in the preface he tells why he issued it. It is from that work that I quote so frequently.</b>
The inexperienced person has little idea of the difficulty which the critical party finds in getting its facts before the public; nor of <b>the systematic suppression used by the Christian press and clergy to prevent unpleasant truths concerning the Christian religion from coming out.</b> There is not an orthodox religious newspaper in the world that will publish the facts concerning the origin of the Bible, which are given in these pages; there is scarcely a magazine in America that will publish them; and it is but recently that any newspaper would do so. Men who know the Christian theology to be untrue, have to get their audience as best they can.
-- A Short History of the Bible, Bronson C. Keeler, 1881<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Note how the christian gag is still on, over a hundred years later.<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Those graduating in religious studies from every major university in America, as well as every major theological seminary that is independent of Christian financial pressure, know certain facts to be true.</b>
They know that:
- The entire bible is saturated with common mythological themes, from the creation and flood myth to virgin birth and resurrected hero mythology.
- The stories of the patriarchs in the Old Testament are known as 'temple legends' to enhance the history of the Hebrew people and are mostly fictional.
- The gospels were not written by anyone who knew Jesus personally.
- The 'Christ' myths and formulas are direct copies of Zoroastrian myths adopted by the Jesus sect.
- These facts, with others, have been known for years, and taught by internationally respected scholars from major universities world wide.
<b>Religiously educated clergy, through the sin of omission and silence, yet continue to promote superstition.</b>
-- William Edelen, Presbyterian and Congregational minister (1999)
Link http://www.secweb.org/index.aspx-action=...id=723.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Then there's Joseph McCabe - a British ex-Catholic priest who's described as having an 'encyclopaedic mind'. He shot one hole after another into even *traditional* christianism; that was maybe in the first half of last century. There was no hope left for that religion, except that his books were on the church's banned list. (Church told christians to stop their ears and sing "lalalalalala".) And now's there's that ultra-shocking evidence from Joseph Atwill and related people whom Dhu introduced us to.
Or for a short-short version of jesus' non-existence, you can summarise - for the benefit of friends - the conclusion which the heading "Canonical Gospels, Acts and the Pauline Epistles" (mid-way left column) works to. The proof by those theologians and other knowledgeable people ends when you come to the word "liar" in red.
If any christian still believes after finding out all that, then ... Well, I don't know what to say then really, except shake my head and feel deeply sorry for them. Better get their heads examined.
<!--QuoteBegin-ashyam+Oct 14 2007, 12:57 PM-->QUOTE(ashyam @ Oct 14 2007, 12:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Missionaries have pre-empted this effort by bringing the argument on existance of Lord Rama to the public and following conclusion that faith should never be questioned.[right][snapback]74280[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Faith would be the most pathetic answer ever. Only Hindus whose minds have been christoislamised can answer with something like "Faith" - accompanied by the usual christian hand-waving, I suppose. Hindus don't know what the word means.
In christianism the very idea of Faith and its central importance to their religion can be traced at least as far back as some church father or other who came up with this loser comeback to Greco-Roman religionists pointing out the ridiculousness of christianism: "I believe it <i>because</i> it is absurd." Can you imagine? Am laughing from here to Tokyo. We can even see it in the bible, there's this bit that says you have to be like a child or something. No, they're not trying to be complimentary to children, they want people to believe without questioning as they *imagine* children do.
Faith is the final resort of the christoislamist: when the final evidence against their religion has been given them, they excuse themselves by saying "but I have faith". ("Faith <i>because</i> it is absurdly impossible.") As if they've scored some hypothetical point. Although it's certain you can't touch that, because faith goes against all sense and logic - it's hot air that has to waft away by itself. You will find many a christian church or organisation out there shrieking that gawd and jeebus can only be found once you "have faith" and "abandoned reason". Yeah, I guess you can indeed find many a fictional character jumping about when you've abandoned all reason.... They can mail me a postcard authentically signed by the pink unicorn thanks.
Christianism revolves around, <i>depends</i> on, a historic jesus. No jesus means no christianism. The End of Faith. Christians (and islamis) have faith by numbers: if they lose flock in large numbers, many start doubting (other christians however have started seeing dwindling numbers as *proof* of jeebus too: because the NT covered its tracks using the predictable trick of saying that if people lose faith it means the 2nd coming is not too far off or something). If they gain flock - even when these are converted by foul means - they feel vindicated. Numbers of adherents prove their jeebus/islam - you know, just like the world really was flatter when all of christodom/islamidom believed it
arcasmConcerning Hindus:
Rama's setting is too long ago to ever find any evidence to the contrary of his existence. And the evidence/indications in his favour can only be obtained from such things as traditions that exist in the length and breadth of our nation and into Sri Lanka and Nepal (and beyond), and such physical things as RamarSethu. Next to that, astrological and other evidence cannot be fabricated/cannot have been added later, so that serves as more deterministic support. Also family experiences can prove it for certain individuals. (Contrast this with the christoislami fundamental: you CANNOT ever see gawd during life. They used to burn anyone who said they'd had *any* spiritual vision; though I've not come across any of inquisitional times who dared to claim he'd seen jehovallah. Every christian knew jehovallah was off-limits, off the visibility radar.
On the other hand, Hinduism and other Natural Religions are full of people who have seen their Gods.)
I <i>think</i> missionaries and the US and Indian psecular anti-Hindus are all after Sethu for their own different reasons, though their interests align marvelously now so they feel confident to make the bold stroke:
- the last because it demeans Hindus even more when they rehash the old British "myth" device (DMK motives are even more transparent);
- the US because it has serious strategic interests here (as elsewhere in India and the subcontinent and beyond);
- the missionaries not only because destroying the Sethu would undermine Hinduism, but also because the church (esp. catholic) has always viewed it as a sign of spiritual conquest if they destroy others' sacred site. They feel their non-existent bedtime monster called 'gawd' has then won over the pagan/heathen/idolatrous/kaffiri religions and put an immovable foot on non-christian soil. Destroying and vandalising others' religious sites is something christians have always done. They're just doing it under a psecular cover this time. Cloaking. Make no mistake, christianism sees it as a religious duty to destroy non-christian sacred sites and temples.
(They even have the pope always coming on sacred days. I recall reading how he popped up uninvited in S Korea precisely on Buddha's Birthday and totally disturbed their celebrations. Yupp here.
I may be wrong about this: but wasn't the pope's visit to India during a Hindu festival too?
Anyway, anyone who thinks this behaviour is coincidence is wrong. Holy-roly-poly catholic church does this on purpose, because *they* see it as a sign of them gaining the spiritual upperhand in heathenish lands. Popes do this sort of thing religiously, it's them circling out a country for christian-attack: they're marking a beginning to what they envision as spiritual defeat of the extant non-christian religions.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->need to work out a strategy that considers this new situation.
[right][snapback]74280[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->One simple strategy:
(1) Need to remind people that the daft christoBrits said all the same things about our Gods that tyrant government has been saying. (All while christos from Britain simultaneously believed in their absurd jeebus-gawd in the sky that resurrected itself after killing itself to appease its own anger. Try and understand that, if you will!)
This is no new onslaught, it's one that has been going on since christoterrorism first set its claw on our shores.
When they say "myth" they mean "lies". (I didn't know that until recently, hence repeating it.)
(2) give people information on how christo govt is (a) not doing any research or (b) suppressing all positive evidence on Hindu history
(Like they suppressed results on Ayodhya investigation)
(3) Hindus need to be told about this: http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=73020
Can't help it - Repetition alert (Elst, from http://hamsa.org/appendix2.htm ):
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Remember the Ayodhya debate, where Hindu scholars were challenged to produce ever more solid proof of the traditions underlying the sacredness of the controversial site? Whatever proof they came up with was automatically, without any inspection, dismissed by the high priests of secularism as "myth" and "faked evidence". It was alleged that there was a "lack of proof" for the assumption that Rama ever lived there. But in the case of the Christian sacred places, we do not just have lack of proof that the religion's claim is true, but we have positive proof that its claim is untrue, and that it was historically part of a campaign of fraud and destruction.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(4) Hindus should be told exactly what's wrong with the jeebus fable. Let them compare that to (3)
How many Hindus today are on auto-pilot thinking that jeebus was real and yet regurgitate the christoBritish/missionary education that taught them that Hindu Gods are all "mythology". The least Hindus should do is say "jeebus is myth" back. Say it. It's true, so it must be said. It's certainly painful at first, we're not used to fingerpointing. But eventually it has to become second-nature. It is part of their victory if we do not say it. It's how christoislami psecularism wipes out tolerant religions: get one to be so tolerant you won't dare to identify a lie as a lie. Gets one so brainwashed, one starts thinking it's an 'offense' to say "hang on, that's totally unfactual".
(5) And Hindus should not misunderstand what "faith" means. Faith is absurdity precisely because it <i>absurdum est</i>. (Sorry. I never took Latin <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo-->)Hindus never had "Faith" (what christoislamis mean by "Faith"). Instead, Hindus have ancestors and relatives who tell them things of their own experiences; and even today some still see their Ishtadevams. And that's what Hindus have wrongly been terming 'faith' when they talk in English: referring to things they can't produce for others.
English sometimes doesn't mean what we (or, rather, I) think it means... In reality - unbeknownst to us Hindus - Faith actually means belief <i>against</i> all reason. Examples include the christian beliefs that the bible's content is true no matter what history says, that santa thomas did thus-and-so in spite of every fact arguing against it, and that jesus must have been from Nazareth though it was never there in the time of his alleged life.
What *Hindus* have is either primary or secondary knowledge: either a certainty, or experiences passed on from truthful relatives. We're certainly not unique in this, not special: Taoist friends' grandparents see their Gods (that's why they instantly accept and nod their heads to similar narrations from our end). So it isn't just Hindus.
But it's why Hindus can immediately recognise the following statement by Swami Devanand<b>a</b> Saraswati "Ishwar Sharan". (Goes without saying that Ishwar Sharan is a totally different person from the youtube's 'Devanand Saraswati' - the fraudulent person who calls himself a Shankaracharya)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I reached India in 1967 and immediately fell in love with Hindu civilization. It is the best civilization of the Great Mother Goddess. She is called Asherah in the Bible and the prophets are always cursing Her. As a small child I had seen Her once in a garden, and later I had read about Her in the Golden Bough. She has always cared for me, and like the great guru Shankara I believe that She is the liberator of man and the revealer of truth. I became a sannyasi because of Her. It is a sacrifice of love that I am still trying to perfect.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(Notice how christoislamis never even wonder <i>why</i> all us natural religionists "believe" in our Gods... Christians actually think we have "Faith" :blink)
Christoislamism is the one that's totally different from other religions: no gawd to be seen, heard or experienced. And the sheep are not even allowed to! Church is clear on that position. (Yet church and sheep claim to see their "devil" in everything! Yikes, what kind of religion is that?)
Their most brilliant trick ever (brilliant because I can't believe that people actually fall for this): you will see gawd *after* you are dead and have devoted your life to/wasted your life in christoislamiterrorism and terrorised/missionized others with it. If it wasn't all so sad, I might roll over laughing. People should demand proof up front; and if there's none that can be given them, there should at least be something meaningful about a religion's principles. Christoislamism fails on both counts.