Mahatma Gandhi's Ideology

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In a <b>1921</b> lecture on "Who is the Greatest Man in the World Today?" John Haynes Holmes, the pastor of New York City's largest liberal congregation, extolled not Lenin or Woodrow Wilson or Sun Yat-sen but someone whom most of the crowd thronging the hall that day had never heard of--Mohandas Gandhi. (1) Holmes, who was later credited with being the West's discoverer of Gandhi, described him as his <b>"seer and saint."</b> (2)

From other IF thread Year 2012 -satya/dwapara Yuga, SATYA YUGA/DWAPARA YUGA

Let us gather a bit more info about this Vril occult...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

The Coming Race (original title), also reprinted as Vril: The Power of the Coming Race, is a novel by Edward Bulwer-Lytton published in 1870. The novel is an early example of science fiction, sometimes cited as the first of this genre. <b>However, many early readers believed that its account of a superior subterranean master race and the energy-form called Vril was accurate, to the extent that some theosophists accepted the book as truth</b>. Furthermore, since 1960 there has been a conspiracy theory about a secret Vril-Society.

the above connects with the description of the Agartha society which is considered to be subterranean and as per Srimad Bhagvatam is the origin for Kalki.

The plot of the novel centres on a young, independently wealthy traveler (the narrator), who accidentally finds his way into a subterranean world occupied by beings who seem to resemble angels, who call themselves Vril-ya. The hero soon discovers that they are descendants of an antediluvian civilisation who live in networks of subterranean caverns linked by tunnels. There they live in their technologically supported Utopia, chief among their tools being the "all-permeating fluid" called "Vril", a latent source of energy which his spiritually elevated hosts are able to master through training of their will, to a degree which depends upon their hereditary constitution, giving them access to an extraordinary force that can be controlled at will. The powers of the will include the ability to heal, change, and destroy beings and things--the destructive powers in particular are awesomely powerful, allowing a few young Vril-ya children to wipe out entire cities if necessary. The narrator suggests that in time, the Vril-ya will run out of habitable spaces underground and will start claiming the surface of the earth, destroying mankind in the process, if necessary.

The uses of Vril in the novel amongst the Vril-ya vary from an agent of destruction to a healing substance. According to Zee, the daughter of the narrator's host, Vril can be changed into the mightiest agency over all types of matter, both animate and inanimate. It can destroy like lightning or replenish life, heal, or cure. It is used to rend ways through solid matter. Its light is said to be steadier, softer and healthier than that from any flammable material. It can also be used as a power source for animating mechanisms. Vril can be harnessed by use of the Vril staff or mental concentration.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/vril/index.htm

"What is vril?" I asked.

Therewith Zee began to enter into an explanation of which I understood very little, for there is no word in any language I know which is an exact synonym for vril. I should call it electricity, except that it comprehends in its manifold branches other forces of nature, to which, in our scientific nomenclature, differing names are assigned, such as magnetism, galvanism, &c. These people consider that in vril they have arrived at the unity in natural energic agencies, which has been conjectured by many philosophers above ground, and which Faraday thus intimates under the more cautious term of correlation:--

They spoke the same language, though the dialects might slightly differ. They intermarried; they maintained the same general laws and customs; and so important a bond between these several communities was the knowledge of vril and the practice of its agencies, that the word A-Vril was synonymous with civilisation; and Vril-ya, signifying "The Civilised Nations," was the common name by which the communities employing the uses of vril distinguished themselves from such of the Ana as were yet in a state of barbarism.

<i>Vril is one of many names for the primal life force, otherwise known as chi, prana, mana, od, magnetism, etc. Yogis and psychics master it to perform "miracles" materializing objects out of thin air, spontaneous healing, walking on fire . . . Mastering Vril = Mind over Matter.</i>

Raju,

Have you also studied the development of Occultism in Russia at around the same time? A series of theosophists and spiritists appeared in Russia before the dawn of the last century. Many of them studied the tantra practices from 'pagans' like bouls and sibarian tribals and other "hidden" peoples. <b>Some went to India and tibet.</b>

Of note is the final and major of these - Gurdjieff, an armenian.

<b>This process got abruptly aborted with the communist rise. With that, some of these schools and soceities, including that of Gurdjieff's own, quitely disappeared and later resurfaced in USA (and some in UK) where they continued with an insignificant and low profile.</b>

George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff (1866?-1949) was born in Russian Armenia. He spent years searching in Central Asia, North Africa, and other places for a hidden tradition whose traces he had encountered in youth. During this search he came into contact with certain esoteric schools. In the early 1900's he brought to Europe a teaching that he had developed from the results of this contact.

Gurdjieff's basic teaching is that human life is lived in waking sleep; transcendence of the sleeping state requires a specific inner work, which is practiced in private quiet conditions, and in the midst of life with others. This leads to otherwise inaccessible levels of vitality and awareness. {Identical to Hindu teachings which says that we live in a world of maya(illusion) and without dyan(knowning one-self) we cannot free ourself from this cycle of life and death and achieve the realisation of the supreme truth.}

http://r.hodges.home.comcast.net/~r.hodges/G/G.html

Are you by any chance referring to Mme Blavatsky ?

She is responsible for having established a way of thinking and the bases which would later give place to societies such as the Thule society and the nazi esotherism.

It is interesting to know her point of view (later people following it would be called theosophists), and anyone seriously studying the Thule society and others must know at least the basics about Madame Blavatsky.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Petrovna_Blavatsky

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here are some more pictures of the RFZ's:
http://www.fast-geheim.de/html/rundflugzeuge1.html
http://www.fast-geheim.de/html/rundflugzeuge2.html
http://www.fast-geheim.de/html/rundflugzeuge3.html
http://www.fast-geheim.de/html/technisch...ungen.html

Interesting pattern here.Repeated mention of Theosophists.

From Raju's post,

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Mme Blavatsky is responsible for having established a way of thinking and the bases which would later give place to societies such as the Thule society and the nazi esotherism.It is interesting to know her point of view (later people following it would be called theosophists), and anyone seriously studying the Thule society and others must know at least the basics about Madame Blavatsky.

In <b>1914</b>, members of an American and European mystical movement, the <b>Theosophists</b>, had applied 'Mahatma' or 'great soul' name to Gandhi.
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Even before Gandhi comes to India and starts his 'non-violent movement' or 'satyagraha' he is declared a great soul by the Theosophists. How do they know he is a great soul? Did they met him? or Was he one of them?

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Gandhi was <b>brought</b> into India's independence movement from South Africa in 1915 to <b>prevent the Indian nationalists</b> from gaining control of India by over throwing the British Occupation.
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Other Indian political leaders are conviniently sidelined and no mention of them is made thereafter since they were sent the infamous Cellular Jail or 'Kaala Pani' and were made to serve harsh punishments which included torture and forced labour.

What happened to Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose? Did he die in the taiwan aircrash?
Even today Indians are trying to find the truth about what happened to him but the congress(I) does not want the truth to come out. Why?

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In 1921 Gandhi is protrayed as a 'seer and saint' by a Christian pastor of New York City's largest congregation.
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Why is a Christian priest who consider 'Hindus' as heathens protray a Hindu Gandhi as an 'seer or saint'?

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Raju,
Have you also studied the development of Occultism in Russia at around the same time? A series of theosophists and spiritists appeared in Russia before the dawn of the last century. Many of them studied the tantra practices from 'pagans' like bouls and sibarian tribals and other "hidden" peoples. <b>Some went to India and tibet.</b>
Of note is the final and major of these - Gurdjieff, an armenian.
<b>This process got abruptly aborted with the communist rise. With that, some of these schools and soceities, including that of Gurdjieff's own, quitely disappeared and later resurfaced in USA (and some in UK) where they continued with an insignificant and low profile.</b>

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Anyone here knows the <b>year</b> Gurdjieff came to US?