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That's all the world needs now...a massive army of christian crusaders coming out the world's most populated country. Its bad enough that most of the south koreans have turned christian and currently make up the largest christian crusading force in the world. Now to top it, we have the threat of the possibility of over 1 billion chinese peddling bibles. The only way to counteract that, if at all it can be countered, is for all the 1 billion Indians to become staunch hindus (which is highly unlikely scenario). Otherwise, the world will see nothing but doom. The image of millions of recently converted christian (fanatics) trampling about the world with crosses in their backpacks (and possibly swords) is all the more frightening.
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According to some Christian evangelical websites, there are about 70 million Christians in China today, though the officially stated number by Chinese govt. is 20 million.</b>
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The past fifty years also saw considerable progress by the Chinese church. Fifty years ago China had one to two million Christians. Today, there are various estimates of the current number of Christians: the conservative estimate suggests 20 to 30 million; it may be 60 million, and it is possible the number could even be higher.
Based on the above estimates the average annual rate of increase has been close to 7% for the last 50 years although growth has not been steady during this period. If the rate of increase is maintained at 7%, 25 years later the total number of Chinese Christians might reach 300 to 400 million. This is not just dreaming or guessing, but rather a conclusion based on evidence.
www.chsource.org/Striving.htm
Why Chinese would wilfully abandon their own native faith and culture is really a perplexing issue.
History of Chinese communist revolution will give lot of answers. The fall of the last empire around 1912 created chaos inside china which was exploited by Japan and western countries.
The nationalists of ChainKai Shek were from the royalty/mandarins. The communist part of Chinese society was from the lower class of the Chinese monarchy. The Chinese communist leadership was converted to chritianity during the 30s-50s.
The Chinese communists the lower class over threw the nationalists and took over the country in 1949. They created the cultural revolution which wiped out the memories and symbols of the traditional religions and culture.
After 50 years Christian conversion due to communist leadership has increased and economic expansion is used to push it further. Methodist Christianity is the major denomination but Catholic christianity is also strong.
Chinese society (like Japan) has a 4 tier social hirarchy (a copy of Indian "Varna" system. BTW Varna system is not "Caste" system, that was virulent British/European racism that British added into Indian society and let the Indian have it as their own, and threw the blame of the new virulent infected system on "Hindu Brahmin").
The British Opium trade and Opium war (by British Indian Army) lead to Anglo-Chinese War resulted in more foreign encroachment in China. The 1858 Treaties of Tientsin permitted foreign missionaries in the interior, foreign legations in Beijing, and eleven more ports opened to foreign trading interests. The British had learnt social engineering based penetration in last 20 years in India. Using lower Chinese Varna (Cast) to convert to Christianity and using them to undercut and pull the rug under the Chinese society.
The Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95 culminated ten years of intrigue in Korea, and the Treaty of Shimonoseki forced China to recognise its independence, cede Formosa to Japan, and open four more ports to foreign commerce. That war also prompted a European scramble for political and economic concessions to counter growing Japanese and Russian influence. Educated Chinese concurrently demanded internal reform of the Manchu regime to prevent further foreign inroads.
Secret Chinese societies, most notably the "Righteous Harmonious Fists" (called Boxers by the foreigners), embodied opposition to the aggressive foreign presence, and began persecuting its most visible manifestation, namely missionaries and their Chinese converts.
The Boxers operated with considerable sympathy of the Imperial Court. Foreign demands for Imperial suppression of the Boxers only fueled the problem. As chaos spread, the legations appealed for more help from an eight-nation fleet standing off the coast at Tientsin. Foreign seizure of the forts guarding Tientsin led to Chinese declaration of war. 1900 war loss lead to more concession to foreigners.
The missionary conversion of the lowest Verna amplified thereafter and when the critical ratio of ~10% was reached (in coastal region). This was also the time the British created their next invention in UK, "Socialism". (UK is still the capital of World Socialism. (Oxford at el are just a few guard towers that are high and most visible part of that apparatus). Socialism, science and Christianity was a heady cocktail brew those days in 1910-1940). One has to understand that most converted were not overtly professing Christian faith as one would expect to see in an asian society that has crossed the majority threshold.
Till 1945 Socialism and Communism was useful beast in hand of British (almost exactly like Jihadi Mujahiddins were useful instrument of USA, UK and Pakistan in first Afghan war against Soviet Russia). After end of WW-2 the Socialist - Communist took a life of its own and turned rabidly against the their mother (UK and USA) and the hand that fed them money, politics and intellectually. ( Again almost exactly like Jihadi Mujahiddins were created by USA, UK and Pakistan in Afghanistan war )
Anyway British (and after 1945 USA) used this convert population from lowest Chinese Verna in the form of "prolitrate Socialist-communist Party" to cut the Chinese foundation of traditional society and royalty in 1948. The christian foundation to the chinese prolitrate is visible in the faith of all communist party leadership if only one cares to dig below the surface a little.
That's all the world needs now...a massive army of christian crusaders coming out the world's most populated country. Its bad enough that most of the south koreans have turned christian and currently make up the largest christian crusading force in the world. Now to top it, we have the threat of the possibility of over 1 billion chinese peddling bibles. The only way to counteract that, if at all it can be countered, is for all the 1 billion Indians to become staunch hindus (which is highly unlikely scenario). Otherwise, the world will see nothing but doom. The image of millions of recently converted christian (fanatics) trampling about the world with crosses in their backpacks (and possibly swords) is all the more frightening.
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According to some Christian evangelical websites, there are about 70 million Christians in China today, though the officially stated number by Chinese govt. is 20 million.</b>
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The past fifty years also saw considerable progress by the Chinese church. Fifty years ago China had one to two million Christians. Today, there are various estimates of the current number of Christians: the conservative estimate suggests 20 to 30 million; it may be 60 million, and it is possible the number could even be higher.
Based on the above estimates the average annual rate of increase has been close to 7% for the last 50 years although growth has not been steady during this period. If the rate of increase is maintained at 7%, 25 years later the total number of Chinese Christians might reach 300 to 400 million. This is not just dreaming or guessing, but rather a conclusion based on evidence.
www.chsource.org/Striving.htm
Why Chinese would wilfully abandon their own native faith and culture is really a perplexing issue.
History of Chinese communist revolution will give lot of answers. The fall of the last empire around 1912 created chaos inside china which was exploited by Japan and western countries.
The nationalists of ChainKai Shek were from the royalty/mandarins. The communist part of Chinese society was from the lower class of the Chinese monarchy. The Chinese communist leadership was converted to chritianity during the 30s-50s.
The Chinese communists the lower class over threw the nationalists and took over the country in 1949. They created the cultural revolution which wiped out the memories and symbols of the traditional religions and culture.
After 50 years Christian conversion due to communist leadership has increased and economic expansion is used to push it further. Methodist Christianity is the major denomination but Catholic christianity is also strong.
Chinese society (like Japan) has a 4 tier social hirarchy (a copy of Indian "Varna" system. BTW Varna system is not "Caste" system, that was virulent British/European racism that British added into Indian society and let the Indian have it as their own, and threw the blame of the new virulent infected system on "Hindu Brahmin").
The British Opium trade and Opium war (by British Indian Army) lead to Anglo-Chinese War resulted in more foreign encroachment in China. The 1858 Treaties of Tientsin permitted foreign missionaries in the interior, foreign legations in Beijing, and eleven more ports opened to foreign trading interests. The British had learnt social engineering based penetration in last 20 years in India. Using lower Chinese Varna (Cast) to convert to Christianity and using them to undercut and pull the rug under the Chinese society.
The Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95 culminated ten years of intrigue in Korea, and the Treaty of Shimonoseki forced China to recognise its independence, cede Formosa to Japan, and open four more ports to foreign commerce. That war also prompted a European scramble for political and economic concessions to counter growing Japanese and Russian influence. Educated Chinese concurrently demanded internal reform of the Manchu regime to prevent further foreign inroads.
Secret Chinese societies, most notably the "Righteous Harmonious Fists" (called Boxers by the foreigners), embodied opposition to the aggressive foreign presence, and began persecuting its most visible manifestation, namely missionaries and their Chinese converts.
The Boxers operated with considerable sympathy of the Imperial Court. Foreign demands for Imperial suppression of the Boxers only fueled the problem. As chaos spread, the legations appealed for more help from an eight-nation fleet standing off the coast at Tientsin. Foreign seizure of the forts guarding Tientsin led to Chinese declaration of war. 1900 war loss lead to more concession to foreigners.
The missionary conversion of the lowest Verna amplified thereafter and when the critical ratio of ~10% was reached (in coastal region). This was also the time the British created their next invention in UK, "Socialism". (UK is still the capital of World Socialism. (Oxford at el are just a few guard towers that are high and most visible part of that apparatus). Socialism, science and Christianity was a heady cocktail brew those days in 1910-1940). One has to understand that most converted were not overtly professing Christian faith as one would expect to see in an asian society that has crossed the majority threshold.
Till 1945 Socialism and Communism was useful beast in hand of British (almost exactly like Jihadi Mujahiddins were useful instrument of USA, UK and Pakistan in first Afghan war against Soviet Russia). After end of WW-2 the Socialist - Communist took a life of its own and turned rabidly against the their mother (UK and USA) and the hand that fed them money, politics and intellectually. ( Again almost exactly like Jihadi Mujahiddins were created by USA, UK and Pakistan in Afghanistan war )
Anyway British (and after 1945 USA) used this convert population from lowest Chinese Verna in the form of "prolitrate Socialist-communist Party" to cut the Chinese foundation of traditional society and royalty in 1948. The christian foundation to the chinese prolitrate is visible in the faith of all communist party leadership if only one cares to dig below the surface a little.