07-09-2004, 08:12 PM
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Communists in India - IISc related
I thought of bringing some recent incidents in IISc to your
attention.
1. Prasthutha (a nationalist students forum) had long back organized
a talk by Michel Danino about Aryan Invasion Theory (2001). The
young IISc pinkos attended and got trashed by Michel. The talk was
well received by IISc community.
2. Recently Prasthutha organized another talk on similar topic by Dr
S R Rao. Titled as "Is Aryan a race or a language or both?", the talk
attracted huge crowd. Obviously S R Rao gave fitting answers to the
young pinkos.
3. Disturbed by no-invasion and no-migration theories doing well in
IISc, pinkos came up with a 'brilliant' idea of giving lecture by
themselves. They have a forum called Forum for India (FFI) which does
nothing but India bashing. Under this forum they organized a talk by
its student member. I paste the abstract and invitation below in the
text format.
4. Prasthutha members did a good amount of last minute research on
aryan theories. They attacked the speaker very well with the
questions and etc. Even though the attack was not very much
sophisticated in terms of scholarship (expectedly), it helped
keeping the speaker in the defensive mood. During the talk, the
pinko speaker showed the map of India in a wrong way. This
attracted the ire of many audience who asked him for an immediate
apology. Speaker denied an apology justifying that he is a humanist
and that he did not care for political boundaries. He insisted that
the wrong map was indeed the reality.
5. Outraged by this many disturbed students complained to the
Director of IISc and to other related office bearers. I was told
that few outsiders who attended the prog complained to police about
this incident as well.
6. Few disturbed students have put up nice posters throughout the
IISc protesting this incident. I attach the poster in the text
format below as that can give a much better understanding of the
events.
Regards
Ravi
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FFI's invitation for the talk
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Vox Populi "The people speak"
Forum for India aims at providing a space for the voice of the common
people to be heard. As a step towards achieving this end, we have
decided to initiate a series of talks, on various issues related to
our country, to be given by members of the campus community. We feel
that this series will be a step towards involving the IISc community
in healthy discussion and debate on various issues of importance and
hope that it will help us move a few steps forward in understanding
the unparalleled complexity of India's heritage.
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FFI welcomes you to the first of this series of talks on:
Answering the Aryan question: From Myths to Molecular Genetics
by
Partho Sarothi Ray
Department of Microbiology and Cell Biology
Indian Institute of Science
Venue: Management Seminar Hall
Date and time: 30th June, Wednesday, 6.00 pm
The question of the origins and the migrations of the Aryans has
been a controversial issue over the past 150 years. However,
research in a number of different fields ranging from the
comparative study of languages to molecular genetics has provided us
today with a clearer picture about who the Aryans were, where they
originated from and how they spread over a vast area of Asia and
Europe. Of special interest has been the role played by the Aryans
in the history of India. In this talk, evidence from various fields
of enquiry like comparative philology, linguistics, archaeology,
molecular genetics etc. will be presented in an attempt to provide
answers to these interesting questions. These questions will be
discussed specifically with reference to India in order to gain a
clearer understanding of the controversies that has recently been
raised on this issue.
Forum for India
ffi_bangalore@y...
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Poster protesting the act of FFI
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Voice For Indian Martyrs (VFIM)
Contact us: vfim_iisc@y...
"Forum For India "gifts" the crown of India on a golden platter to
Pakistan and China"
Friends,
A talk with the title "Answering the Aryan question: From Myth to
Molecular Genetics" was held on 30th of June 2004, in the Management
studies seminar hall. In this talk, the speaker Mr.Partho Sarothi
Ray, a student of the Department of Microbiology and Cell Biology
misrepresented a map of India, our great motherland with the Aksai
Chin and Gilgit areas removed from our boundaries. When the members
of the audience raised objection to this misrepresentation, the
speaker defended it saying that what he had represented was "reality"
and that he was a humanist and did not believe in political
boundaries. Another member of the "Forum for India" asked the
question "what do we have to do with two chunks of wasteland". When
a person in the audience asked the speaker to apologize, he fiercely
defended his misrepresentation.
<b>It is routinely observed that the members of this so called "Forum
for India" do not stand up when Our National anthem is played in
functions/talks organized in IISc.</b>Â <!--emo&:o--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Bharata Mata, alas! You have been stabbed behind your back yet again
by your own misguided children.
********
A few questions beg attention
1. Is this forum really a "Forum For India" or a "Forum For ISI
Agents"?
2. Is Mr.Partho Sarothi Ray not guilty of sedition?
3. If Mr.Partho Sarothi Ray is a humanist, why did he choose a
political map and in that, a wrong one, what was the message he
was trying to convey?
4. What were the speaker's motives behind the misrepresentation of
the map of India?
5. Does Mr.Partho Sarothi Ray accept the Union Government's
position on Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim, or do even these
have some other "reality"?
6. Do people like Mr.Partho Sarothi Ray be allowed to continue to
be citizens of this great country?
7. Should the "Forum for India" not be banned for this grave attack
on the Indian Ethos and its identity?
8. If the "Forum for India" is allowed to function unbridled, what
will be the next "reality" (because, even parts of Rajasthan can
be considered to be waste land by a few)?
9. Should Mr. Partho Sarothi Ray be allowed to continue as a
student of this great Institute enjoying benefits of scholarship
provided by the government of a country, the boundaries of which
he refuses to consider legitimate?
10. Is this incident not an insult to our martyrs who have laid down
their lives defending this Great Nation?
11. Is this not an insult to those who brave temperatures of -50 °C
in Siachen and > 50 °C in Rajasthan, just for our sake?
*************
O Martyrs, we are sorry that we couldn't identify A BAND OF TRAITORS
thriving amidst us.
We owe more to our soldiers and their family than what we owe to our
mothers. If we cannot become SOLDIERS at least we should not forget
and disrespect their sacrifices.
**********
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Communists in India - IISc related
I thought of bringing some recent incidents in IISc to your
attention.
1. Prasthutha (a nationalist students forum) had long back organized
a talk by Michel Danino about Aryan Invasion Theory (2001). The
young IISc pinkos attended and got trashed by Michel. The talk was
well received by IISc community.
2. Recently Prasthutha organized another talk on similar topic by Dr
S R Rao. Titled as "Is Aryan a race or a language or both?", the talk
attracted huge crowd. Obviously S R Rao gave fitting answers to the
young pinkos.
3. Disturbed by no-invasion and no-migration theories doing well in
IISc, pinkos came up with a 'brilliant' idea of giving lecture by
themselves. They have a forum called Forum for India (FFI) which does
nothing but India bashing. Under this forum they organized a talk by
its student member. I paste the abstract and invitation below in the
text format.
4. Prasthutha members did a good amount of last minute research on
aryan theories. They attacked the speaker very well with the
questions and etc. Even though the attack was not very much
sophisticated in terms of scholarship (expectedly), it helped
keeping the speaker in the defensive mood. During the talk, the
pinko speaker showed the map of India in a wrong way. This
attracted the ire of many audience who asked him for an immediate
apology. Speaker denied an apology justifying that he is a humanist
and that he did not care for political boundaries. He insisted that
the wrong map was indeed the reality.
5. Outraged by this many disturbed students complained to the
Director of IISc and to other related office bearers. I was told
that few outsiders who attended the prog complained to police about
this incident as well.
6. Few disturbed students have put up nice posters throughout the
IISc protesting this incident. I attach the poster in the text
format below as that can give a much better understanding of the
events.
Regards
Ravi
---------------------------------------------------------------------
FFI's invitation for the talk
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Vox Populi "The people speak"
Forum for India aims at providing a space for the voice of the common
people to be heard. As a step towards achieving this end, we have
decided to initiate a series of talks, on various issues related to
our country, to be given by members of the campus community. We feel
that this series will be a step towards involving the IISc community
in healthy discussion and debate on various issues of importance and
hope that it will help us move a few steps forward in understanding
the unparalleled complexity of India's heritage.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
FFI welcomes you to the first of this series of talks on:
Answering the Aryan question: From Myths to Molecular Genetics
by
Partho Sarothi Ray
Department of Microbiology and Cell Biology
Indian Institute of Science
Venue: Management Seminar Hall
Date and time: 30th June, Wednesday, 6.00 pm
The question of the origins and the migrations of the Aryans has
been a controversial issue over the past 150 years. However,
research in a number of different fields ranging from the
comparative study of languages to molecular genetics has provided us
today with a clearer picture about who the Aryans were, where they
originated from and how they spread over a vast area of Asia and
Europe. Of special interest has been the role played by the Aryans
in the history of India. In this talk, evidence from various fields
of enquiry like comparative philology, linguistics, archaeology,
molecular genetics etc. will be presented in an attempt to provide
answers to these interesting questions. These questions will be
discussed specifically with reference to India in order to gain a
clearer understanding of the controversies that has recently been
raised on this issue.
Forum for India
ffi_bangalore@y...
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Poster protesting the act of FFI
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Voice For Indian Martyrs (VFIM)
Contact us: vfim_iisc@y...
"Forum For India "gifts" the crown of India on a golden platter to
Pakistan and China"
Friends,
A talk with the title "Answering the Aryan question: From Myth to
Molecular Genetics" was held on 30th of June 2004, in the Management
studies seminar hall. In this talk, the speaker Mr.Partho Sarothi
Ray, a student of the Department of Microbiology and Cell Biology
misrepresented a map of India, our great motherland with the Aksai
Chin and Gilgit areas removed from our boundaries. When the members
of the audience raised objection to this misrepresentation, the
speaker defended it saying that what he had represented was "reality"
and that he was a humanist and did not believe in political
boundaries. Another member of the "Forum for India" asked the
question "what do we have to do with two chunks of wasteland". When
a person in the audience asked the speaker to apologize, he fiercely
defended his misrepresentation.
<b>It is routinely observed that the members of this so called "Forum
for India" do not stand up when Our National anthem is played in
functions/talks organized in IISc.</b>Â <!--emo&:o--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Bharata Mata, alas! You have been stabbed behind your back yet again
by your own misguided children.
********
A few questions beg attention
1. Is this forum really a "Forum For India" or a "Forum For ISI
Agents"?
2. Is Mr.Partho Sarothi Ray not guilty of sedition?
3. If Mr.Partho Sarothi Ray is a humanist, why did he choose a
political map and in that, a wrong one, what was the message he
was trying to convey?
4. What were the speaker's motives behind the misrepresentation of
the map of India?
5. Does Mr.Partho Sarothi Ray accept the Union Government's
position on Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim, or do even these
have some other "reality"?
6. Do people like Mr.Partho Sarothi Ray be allowed to continue to
be citizens of this great country?
7. Should the "Forum for India" not be banned for this grave attack
on the Indian Ethos and its identity?
8. If the "Forum for India" is allowed to function unbridled, what
will be the next "reality" (because, even parts of Rajasthan can
be considered to be waste land by a few)?
9. Should Mr. Partho Sarothi Ray be allowed to continue as a
student of this great Institute enjoying benefits of scholarship
provided by the government of a country, the boundaries of which
he refuses to consider legitimate?
10. Is this incident not an insult to our martyrs who have laid down
their lives defending this Great Nation?
11. Is this not an insult to those who brave temperatures of -50 °C
in Siachen and > 50 °C in Rajasthan, just for our sake?
*************
O Martyrs, we are sorry that we couldn't identify A BAND OF TRAITORS
thriving amidst us.
We owe more to our soldiers and their family than what we owe to our
mothers. If we cannot become SOLDIERS at least we should not forget
and disrespect their sacrifices.
**********
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