<!--QuoteBegin-Honsol+Dec 13 2007, 06:27 PM-->QUOTE(Honsol @ Dec 13 2007, 06:27 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Seem you see as traditional hinduism only advaita vedanta and smarta tradition.[right][snapback]76106[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> I have never said that .... I merely referred to the Gita and a few Upanishads I read in translation. If Vedantam happens to agree with me on what I did say, then woohoo I reinvented the wheel all by myself. I must be cleverer than I thought. (Or not.) It's merely all my own opinion formed from my reading the said scriptures.
By the way, Vaishnava stream is an ancient tradition in S India. It's part of the three ancient Agamic streams. Older than Advaitam.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gaudya vaishnava is as traditional hinduism as any other branch of hinduism.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Indeed I did not know of the Gaudiya Vaishnava branch until I learnt of it in the context of ISKCON.
My gripe is not with the view that Krishna is the centre of the universe. Of course he is. (Besides, Ishtadevam, Kuladevam - or for that matter, the God of any established Hindu school of thought - is part of traditional Hinduism anyway.)
But as I said repeatedly (in spite of my digressing left and right) my problem lay with ISKCON being incapable of recognising other main Hindu Gods as equal while their books readily elevate jehovah and allah to Krishna's level. Am unable to reconcile with or even understand that.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Many Vaishnavas do see the other Gods as minor or having specific abilities/fields of action and therefore not capable of giving final/lasting liberation. But that is not the view of any <b>other Hindu streams</b> where different Gods are central.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Note, here I am not speaking of Advaitam or Smarta tradition or anything, merely of the two other Agamic Hindu streams and those related to Ganapathi and Murugar (and Ayyappan too). In other words, I am speaking of what I know only - that is, my locality.
By the way, Vaishnava stream is an ancient tradition in S India. It's part of the three ancient Agamic streams. Older than Advaitam.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gaudya vaishnava is as traditional hinduism as any other branch of hinduism.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Indeed I did not know of the Gaudiya Vaishnava branch until I learnt of it in the context of ISKCON.
My gripe is not with the view that Krishna is the centre of the universe. Of course he is. (Besides, Ishtadevam, Kuladevam - or for that matter, the God of any established Hindu school of thought - is part of traditional Hinduism anyway.)
But as I said repeatedly (in spite of my digressing left and right) my problem lay with ISKCON being incapable of recognising other main Hindu Gods as equal while their books readily elevate jehovah and allah to Krishna's level. Am unable to reconcile with or even understand that.
<b>ADDED:</b> From my own #228 -
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Many Vaishnavas do see the other Gods as minor or having specific abilities/fields of action and therefore not capable of giving final/lasting liberation. But that is not the view of any <b>other Hindu streams</b> where different Gods are central.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Note, here I am not speaking of Advaitam or Smarta tradition or anything, merely of the two other Agamic Hindu streams and those related to Ganapathi and Murugar (and Ayyappan too). In other words, I am speaking of what I know only - that is, my locality.