Asking IF's indulgence for posting some very old news here (2001). Though I'd never come across it until a recent week.
Via http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2006/08/san...s-currency.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>âWhy does the Evangelical Church secretly sponsor a mass conversion of untouchable Hindus to Buddhism?"</b> by Sanal Edamaruku in <b>Rationalist International</b>, Bulletin Nr. 83, November 29, <b>2001</b>. It is available on Net at http://www.Rationalistinternational.net/ar...ist_2001/83.htm. Sanal Edamaruku is an atheist, and, presumably, his views could not have been influenced by any liking for Hinduism<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From the link mentioned in the above quoteblock (purple stuff's my own):
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Official organizer of the Delhi meeting was the "All India Conference of Scheduled Castes and Tribes", an umbrella organization of government employees with a membership of more than three millions. Secret wire puller and financier of the event, however, was the All India Christian Council (AICC), an outfit of the Evangelical Church, which comprises of all kinds of neo-protestant "born-again" and missionary organizations and is dominated by Baptists and Pentacostals. Special guests on the dias were AICC president Dr. Joseph D'Souza, vice-president John Dayal and general secretary <b>Dr. K P Yohannan</b>. Dayal, a retired journalist, is the key figure of the recent PR-campaigns, projecting harassment of Christians in India, which are securing substantial support from Christians in the USA. Yohannan is the dynamic top conversion driver of the Pentacostals in their hotbed Kerala and known for his enormous capacities to mobilize Dollar donations.
(Isn't Dayal a Catholic? Hey, then most major christian cults were represented.
Remembered coming across something on Yohannan - will paste it below.)
Why does the Evangelical network sponsor a mass conversion of Hindus to Buddhism?
A PR-campaign, launched in June for supporters and donators in the USA and elsewhere, opened hearts and purses by giving the wrong impression that a big catch was heading straightly for the Christian net. "Gospel for Asia", the "largest church-planting movement in the subcontinent", started focussing on the plight of the Dalits and their plan to leave Hinduism. "⦠The news from around India is that Dalits also plan to move to the Christian faith. The Indian church is therefore presented with a challenge of enormous proportions. It will either stand or fall by the stand it takes during the coming months", informed AICC-president D'Souza. He added carefully: "The Church will also have to support the larger move of the Dalits because it represents freedom of choice, ⦠and now will have to respect and support whatever choices the Dalits makeâ¦."
This was the time when a movement for Dalit Human Rights started to get international attention in connection with the Durban World Conference Against Racism. The Evangelical Church sailed with the wind and sponsored - under the shroud of secrecy - the participation of 300 Dalits in the Durban conference, the biggest, best-coordinated and most vocal group. There was, of course, a strategy behind the generous support. The Durban conference, was the calculation, would cause great embarrassment to the Indian government. Already blamed for Hindu fanatic leanings, they would be held responsible for Human Rights violations against the Dalits, and under scrutiny by a sensibilized international public, they would have to carefully avoid any future offence against them. The Dalits would - in a new sense - become truly "untouchable". So beneficial this outcome may be, <b>it was not for the Dalits' sake that their cause was supported. They were only build up to become proper carthorses for vested interests.</b>
On 7 September, immediately after the Durban conference, a meeting took place in Hyderabad. 740 Evangelical leaders and 26 Dalit leaders discussed the further procedure and fixed the date for the first one million conversions. The AICC leaders started to "mobilize the Church body to respond to this most urgent challenge". <b>Excited newsletters started rejoicing through cyberspace announcing a miracle: 300 millions of Hindus have expressed the heart's desire to join Christianity! Can you help them? - Money flew generously. But while advertising the big catch, the AICC leaders knew and appreciated very well that the Dalits would convert to Buddhism only.</b> Their targets were not the converts of Delhi, though they used them to water their donators' mouths. Their plan was to use the Buddhist conversions as a wedge to open the gates of India for the great millennium crusade. This plan could only succeed under the condition that the missionary finger in the pie remained unseen in India.
(Percentage of Harijan population seems rather exaggerated to me - are they including Girijan and most other Hindu communities in there as well? Anyone have any figures for actual demographics on this?
I think CIA info is laughable, but for the purpose of showing the inconsistency in American/missionary information: the CIA site lists India's <i>ethnic</i> demographics as "75% Indo-Aryan" - whatever that ridiculous statement may mean - but isn't the spin usually that the Oryans were the oppressors? Still going by CIA 'logic' then, I presume that the racist CIA twats don't include Girijan population in the Indo-Oryan bunch either. So my questions is: how did they work out the 300 million? Or is this just another case of christian maths?)
The Anti-Conversion-Bill, established in the early fifties, long before the now ruling Hindu party came to power, bans proselytizing by force or by promise of advantage. Change of religion is only allowed as considered individual decision. The old missionary practice of mass conversions, threatening uneducated poor people or luring them with little gifts and promises in order to baptize them village by village and tribe by tribe, is punishable. Major parts of India's North East have been conquered this way. <b>And missionaries still try to advance into the tribal areas using the rough conversion method of St. Francis Xavier, who</b> managed to obtain permission of the local King to baptize in seven days as many of the poor fishermen as he could. His proselytes were thousands. He called them together by ringing bells, wetted them with huge water sprayers and declared them Christians without wasting further words.
Throughout history, many attempts have been made by Christian missionaries to use the situation of the "untouchables" to harvest souls. But once they were baptized, they had to experience that equality and justice did not come nearer: as Christians they remained as "untouchable" as they had been as Hindus. <b>Especially the priesthood hierarchies of the established orthodox, catholic, protestant and anglican churches kept themselves strictly Dalit-free.</b> There is no single priest - let alone bishop or cardinal - down history, who was born an "untouchable". There is, despite all crocodile-tears for the oppressed, still no quota for Dalit Christians in the thousands of institutions, schools and hospitals owned by the Christian churches.
(No quota for any christians, period. If dalit christians want money and special access, then all they need to do is apply to the western inflow of moolah and leverage in christoterrorist institutions in India. Let the filthy rich christian church in India pay, which gets hundreds of millions of dollars yearly. So sorry that the greedy christian church is unwilling to part with its money to help its own flock, but that's not our problem. That christian college that recently decided to favour its christian dalit students is getting its money from the majority Hindus' tax money. So turns out no grand sacrifice made by christians there either.
No more stealing from Hindus' tax money to give to christoislamics - it should be spent <i>only</i> on the Hindu population. Let Saudi Arabia and Amerikkka - which stands for the christian part of America - pay for dalit christians/muslims, when the Indian church refuses to spend the needful amount.)
While the Indian government as well as the general public are alert against Christian conversion attempts, the change from Hindu religion to Buddhism is not taken as conversion and does therefore not fall under the Anti-Conversion-Bill, since Buddhism is understood to be a branch of Hinduism. Hinduism knows about 330 millions of gods and goddesses, and Buddha is one of them. While being freed from the caste system, the Dalits-turned-Buddhists don't loose their right on the provisions of the reservation bill, while Dalits-turned-Christians do - good reasons to follow Ambedkar's example rather than turning to Christianity.
But once, under the shield of its historic predecessor and under protection of the watchful international public, Dalit mass conversions to Buddhism have successfully taken place, an example is set. When thousands of Hindus are allowed to become Buddhists one fine afternoon, just by echoing some chants and raising their hands, no moral or legal right could prevent St. Francis Xavier's resurrection!
<b>"God longs for the whole Hindu people to know Jesus Christ and live under His Lordship", revealed the Consultation of World Evangelization in their meeting in Thailand in 1980. The "Thailand Report on Hindus" delivered appropriate missionary know how for the harvest. The Hindu belief system was introduced with special attention to those of its elements, which could be used in the conversion process. "Miraculous healing", for example was recommended as successful technique. "Demonstrating social concern, for example for scheduled castes and tribes or other `untouchables' of the Hindu community (lepers, prostitutes etc.) was another proposed technique.</b>
(Note: 'social concern' is indeed no more than a conversion technique for christianism. Christianism just uses everyone; it pits everyone against each other and then attempts to convert <i>all</i> the smaller blocks individually. Divide and convert is a very christian tactic which is why the christoterrorists from erstwhile British empire used it too.)
<b>"The oppressed and the poor have always been receptive for the Gospel</b> down the centuries in India and elsewhere⦠The poor have a natural capacity to put their trust on almost anything. They are not dogmatic. <b>This has always been the âentry pointâ in the structure on any society, through which we can easily enter."</b>
(In other words, they view the poor and vulnerable as gullible.
Oh Yuck. To be regarded as Easy!
And then to later be intended for foot soldiery for spreading christoterrorism about. That is, to be included in the christoterrorist plot to do all the dirty work of destroying one's own heritage and terrorising one's own people...)
<b>It was warned, however, to avoid "premature reaping": "If, as frequently occurs, the first converts are those who are socially isolated for one reason or another reason from the community, premature reaping may create serious barriers to the establishment of the Body of Christ in that area. We must exercise patience as we sow the seed, create a hunger, and work for the conversion of the opinion leaders of the communityâ¦"</b>
Despite great efforts and considerable collections abroad, the "Gospel for Asia" brigade was generally not very successful in India. The "Joshua-2000-Project", which announced a kind of missionary world conquest before the dawn of the new millennium and gathered great holy excitement and still greater donations, did not come up to the expectations. The current grand Dalit-project may have a similar fate. But donators seem to be a confused lot with short memories. Religious action provides entertainment and excitement for its armchair supporters and the satisfactory feeling of contributing considerably to the improvement of the world. Who would want to seriously understand the conditions of real life as long as the show goes on! This approach is unfortunately not limited to the customers of the Evangelical Church.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And as promised. Here is that typical christoterrorist "Dr." K P Yohannan, writing about Bharatmata:
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0700/96.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This Christian fundamentalist propaganda literature often <b>describes Bharat as a âState of Devilâ</b>. Dr K.P. Yohannan in his book Anant Prakash mein Jeevan Vyatheeth Karain writes: âEvery time a Hindu is baptized and converted to Christianity, there is a great disturbance in the State of Devilâ (p. 114). Hindu religious and community leaders have been termed as âdevilsâ and âsatanicâ powers by the same author.
Dr. Yohannanâs is not the solitary instance. In fact, he is one of the many who project such views. Another ...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hindus must learn that christians will be all patriotic if India were to ever become a christian country (just as they suddenly had a change of heart when Rome became christian - until which time they were traitors, as documented by historians).
So nationalism has nothing to do with why christianism is a threat. It is a grave threat - to all mankind in fact - because it is terrorism plain and simple, just like islam is. No difference. The sooner all Hindus realise that christoislamism is one and the same ideology and stop making excuses for the more popular variant (christianism), the better off we'll be. Recognising would-be assassins for what they are is the first step in preventing the intended crime.
Via http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2006/08/san...s-currency.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>âWhy does the Evangelical Church secretly sponsor a mass conversion of untouchable Hindus to Buddhism?"</b> by Sanal Edamaruku in <b>Rationalist International</b>, Bulletin Nr. 83, November 29, <b>2001</b>. It is available on Net at http://www.Rationalistinternational.net/ar...ist_2001/83.htm. Sanal Edamaruku is an atheist, and, presumably, his views could not have been influenced by any liking for Hinduism<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From the link mentioned in the above quoteblock (purple stuff's my own):
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Official organizer of the Delhi meeting was the "All India Conference of Scheduled Castes and Tribes", an umbrella organization of government employees with a membership of more than three millions. Secret wire puller and financier of the event, however, was the All India Christian Council (AICC), an outfit of the Evangelical Church, which comprises of all kinds of neo-protestant "born-again" and missionary organizations and is dominated by Baptists and Pentacostals. Special guests on the dias were AICC president Dr. Joseph D'Souza, vice-president John Dayal and general secretary <b>Dr. K P Yohannan</b>. Dayal, a retired journalist, is the key figure of the recent PR-campaigns, projecting harassment of Christians in India, which are securing substantial support from Christians in the USA. Yohannan is the dynamic top conversion driver of the Pentacostals in their hotbed Kerala and known for his enormous capacities to mobilize Dollar donations.
(Isn't Dayal a Catholic? Hey, then most major christian cults were represented.
Remembered coming across something on Yohannan - will paste it below.)
Why does the Evangelical network sponsor a mass conversion of Hindus to Buddhism?
A PR-campaign, launched in June for supporters and donators in the USA and elsewhere, opened hearts and purses by giving the wrong impression that a big catch was heading straightly for the Christian net. "Gospel for Asia", the "largest church-planting movement in the subcontinent", started focussing on the plight of the Dalits and their plan to leave Hinduism. "⦠The news from around India is that Dalits also plan to move to the Christian faith. The Indian church is therefore presented with a challenge of enormous proportions. It will either stand or fall by the stand it takes during the coming months", informed AICC-president D'Souza. He added carefully: "The Church will also have to support the larger move of the Dalits because it represents freedom of choice, ⦠and now will have to respect and support whatever choices the Dalits makeâ¦."
This was the time when a movement for Dalit Human Rights started to get international attention in connection with the Durban World Conference Against Racism. The Evangelical Church sailed with the wind and sponsored - under the shroud of secrecy - the participation of 300 Dalits in the Durban conference, the biggest, best-coordinated and most vocal group. There was, of course, a strategy behind the generous support. The Durban conference, was the calculation, would cause great embarrassment to the Indian government. Already blamed for Hindu fanatic leanings, they would be held responsible for Human Rights violations against the Dalits, and under scrutiny by a sensibilized international public, they would have to carefully avoid any future offence against them. The Dalits would - in a new sense - become truly "untouchable". So beneficial this outcome may be, <b>it was not for the Dalits' sake that their cause was supported. They were only build up to become proper carthorses for vested interests.</b>
On 7 September, immediately after the Durban conference, a meeting took place in Hyderabad. 740 Evangelical leaders and 26 Dalit leaders discussed the further procedure and fixed the date for the first one million conversions. The AICC leaders started to "mobilize the Church body to respond to this most urgent challenge". <b>Excited newsletters started rejoicing through cyberspace announcing a miracle: 300 millions of Hindus have expressed the heart's desire to join Christianity! Can you help them? - Money flew generously. But while advertising the big catch, the AICC leaders knew and appreciated very well that the Dalits would convert to Buddhism only.</b> Their targets were not the converts of Delhi, though they used them to water their donators' mouths. Their plan was to use the Buddhist conversions as a wedge to open the gates of India for the great millennium crusade. This plan could only succeed under the condition that the missionary finger in the pie remained unseen in India.
(Percentage of Harijan population seems rather exaggerated to me - are they including Girijan and most other Hindu communities in there as well? Anyone have any figures for actual demographics on this?
I think CIA info is laughable, but for the purpose of showing the inconsistency in American/missionary information: the CIA site lists India's <i>ethnic</i> demographics as "75% Indo-Aryan" - whatever that ridiculous statement may mean - but isn't the spin usually that the Oryans were the oppressors? Still going by CIA 'logic' then, I presume that the racist CIA twats don't include Girijan population in the Indo-Oryan bunch either. So my questions is: how did they work out the 300 million? Or is this just another case of christian maths?)
The Anti-Conversion-Bill, established in the early fifties, long before the now ruling Hindu party came to power, bans proselytizing by force or by promise of advantage. Change of religion is only allowed as considered individual decision. The old missionary practice of mass conversions, threatening uneducated poor people or luring them with little gifts and promises in order to baptize them village by village and tribe by tribe, is punishable. Major parts of India's North East have been conquered this way. <b>And missionaries still try to advance into the tribal areas using the rough conversion method of St. Francis Xavier, who</b> managed to obtain permission of the local King to baptize in seven days as many of the poor fishermen as he could. His proselytes were thousands. He called them together by ringing bells, wetted them with huge water sprayers and declared them Christians without wasting further words.
Throughout history, many attempts have been made by Christian missionaries to use the situation of the "untouchables" to harvest souls. But once they were baptized, they had to experience that equality and justice did not come nearer: as Christians they remained as "untouchable" as they had been as Hindus. <b>Especially the priesthood hierarchies of the established orthodox, catholic, protestant and anglican churches kept themselves strictly Dalit-free.</b> There is no single priest - let alone bishop or cardinal - down history, who was born an "untouchable". There is, despite all crocodile-tears for the oppressed, still no quota for Dalit Christians in the thousands of institutions, schools and hospitals owned by the Christian churches.
(No quota for any christians, period. If dalit christians want money and special access, then all they need to do is apply to the western inflow of moolah and leverage in christoterrorist institutions in India. Let the filthy rich christian church in India pay, which gets hundreds of millions of dollars yearly. So sorry that the greedy christian church is unwilling to part with its money to help its own flock, but that's not our problem. That christian college that recently decided to favour its christian dalit students is getting its money from the majority Hindus' tax money. So turns out no grand sacrifice made by christians there either.
No more stealing from Hindus' tax money to give to christoislamics - it should be spent <i>only</i> on the Hindu population. Let Saudi Arabia and Amerikkka - which stands for the christian part of America - pay for dalit christians/muslims, when the Indian church refuses to spend the needful amount.)
While the Indian government as well as the general public are alert against Christian conversion attempts, the change from Hindu religion to Buddhism is not taken as conversion and does therefore not fall under the Anti-Conversion-Bill, since Buddhism is understood to be a branch of Hinduism. Hinduism knows about 330 millions of gods and goddesses, and Buddha is one of them. While being freed from the caste system, the Dalits-turned-Buddhists don't loose their right on the provisions of the reservation bill, while Dalits-turned-Christians do - good reasons to follow Ambedkar's example rather than turning to Christianity.
But once, under the shield of its historic predecessor and under protection of the watchful international public, Dalit mass conversions to Buddhism have successfully taken place, an example is set. When thousands of Hindus are allowed to become Buddhists one fine afternoon, just by echoing some chants and raising their hands, no moral or legal right could prevent St. Francis Xavier's resurrection!
<b>"God longs for the whole Hindu people to know Jesus Christ and live under His Lordship", revealed the Consultation of World Evangelization in their meeting in Thailand in 1980. The "Thailand Report on Hindus" delivered appropriate missionary know how for the harvest. The Hindu belief system was introduced with special attention to those of its elements, which could be used in the conversion process. "Miraculous healing", for example was recommended as successful technique. "Demonstrating social concern, for example for scheduled castes and tribes or other `untouchables' of the Hindu community (lepers, prostitutes etc.) was another proposed technique.</b>
(Note: 'social concern' is indeed no more than a conversion technique for christianism. Christianism just uses everyone; it pits everyone against each other and then attempts to convert <i>all</i> the smaller blocks individually. Divide and convert is a very christian tactic which is why the christoterrorists from erstwhile British empire used it too.)
<b>"The oppressed and the poor have always been receptive for the Gospel</b> down the centuries in India and elsewhere⦠The poor have a natural capacity to put their trust on almost anything. They are not dogmatic. <b>This has always been the âentry pointâ in the structure on any society, through which we can easily enter."</b>
(In other words, they view the poor and vulnerable as gullible.
Oh Yuck. To be regarded as Easy!
And then to later be intended for foot soldiery for spreading christoterrorism about. That is, to be included in the christoterrorist plot to do all the dirty work of destroying one's own heritage and terrorising one's own people...)
<b>It was warned, however, to avoid "premature reaping": "If, as frequently occurs, the first converts are those who are socially isolated for one reason or another reason from the community, premature reaping may create serious barriers to the establishment of the Body of Christ in that area. We must exercise patience as we sow the seed, create a hunger, and work for the conversion of the opinion leaders of the communityâ¦"</b>
Despite great efforts and considerable collections abroad, the "Gospel for Asia" brigade was generally not very successful in India. The "Joshua-2000-Project", which announced a kind of missionary world conquest before the dawn of the new millennium and gathered great holy excitement and still greater donations, did not come up to the expectations. The current grand Dalit-project may have a similar fate. But donators seem to be a confused lot with short memories. Religious action provides entertainment and excitement for its armchair supporters and the satisfactory feeling of contributing considerably to the improvement of the world. Who would want to seriously understand the conditions of real life as long as the show goes on! This approach is unfortunately not limited to the customers of the Evangelical Church.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And as promised. Here is that typical christoterrorist "Dr." K P Yohannan, writing about Bharatmata:
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0700/96.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This Christian fundamentalist propaganda literature often <b>describes Bharat as a âState of Devilâ</b>. Dr K.P. Yohannan in his book Anant Prakash mein Jeevan Vyatheeth Karain writes: âEvery time a Hindu is baptized and converted to Christianity, there is a great disturbance in the State of Devilâ (p. 114). Hindu religious and community leaders have been termed as âdevilsâ and âsatanicâ powers by the same author.
Dr. Yohannanâs is not the solitary instance. In fact, he is one of the many who project such views. Another ...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hindus must learn that christians will be all patriotic if India were to ever become a christian country (just as they suddenly had a change of heart when Rome became christian - until which time they were traitors, as documented by historians).
So nationalism has nothing to do with why christianism is a threat. It is a grave threat - to all mankind in fact - because it is terrorism plain and simple, just like islam is. No difference. The sooner all Hindus realise that christoislamism is one and the same ideology and stop making excuses for the more popular variant (christianism), the better off we'll be. Recognising would-be assassins for what they are is the first step in preventing the intended crime.