<!--QuoteBegin-rhytha+Nov 29 2007, 02:02 PM-->QUOTE(rhytha @ Nov 29 2007, 02:02 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Jesus Christ gets an evil twin in fantasy film</b>
PANAJI, India (Reuters) - There's no mention of him in the Bible but the plot of a fantasy film set in India gives Jesus Christ a twin brother -- and an evil one at that.
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"If you deal with religious themes, you have to be prepared and also (careful) that you do not hurt any feelings," said Stefan. "Our film is not based on true events nor is it giving any religious message."
http://in.reuters.com/article/entertainmen...0071126?sp=true
[right][snapback]75703[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Only the premise of a twin is based on christian tradition. The other aspects of their plot is indeed modern make-believe.
According to Syrian christians' Act of Thomas, the alleged jesus did in fact have a twin - the dubious Doubting Thomas. He's known as Santa "thomas didymus" which means exactly that: twit.... twin, Twin - I said Twin.
But as for which of the two was evil - well that's up to the beholder as the saying goes. The fictional Thomas was credited with the achievements of early syrian christians' temple breaking in India (1), while jeebus - the poster-boy for equality and all such slogans - apparently sold his own twin brother thomas into slavery as per Syrian christian tradition/Acts of Thomas (2).
(1) http://hamsa.org/15.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This is an open admission by the Portuguese that a church had been built on a temple site at Mylaporeâonly they have backdated the event to the first century and attributed the crime to St. Thomas. How extraordinaryâor is it? <b>The Portuguese, and Syrian Christians before them, had given the "honour" of temple--breaking to St. Thomas</b> at Palayur, north of Cranganore, where an early seventeenth century Portuguese church built by the Jesuit Fr. James Fenicio rises amidst temple ruins today (see note 31). Fr. A. Mathias Mundadan, in History of Christianity in India, Vol. I, writes, "The remains of old temples found at Palayur and near the other traditional churches[50] are proof of this." Proof of what? Proof, it would seem, that St. Thomas destroyed temples at all the places where he is said to have built churches.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->http://hamsa.org/10.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[31] The archaeological evidence indicates that these churches were built after the ninth century by Nestorian immigrants from Persia. The famous church at Palayur north of Cranganore was built by the Portuguese and is dedicated to the fourth century martyr St. Cyriac (Mar Kuriakkos Sahada). Fr. Herman D'Souza, in In the Steps of St. Thomas, writes, "The [Palayur] temple deserted by the Brahmins as a result of St. Thomas's efforts, was turned into a church. Pieces of broken idols and remnants of the old temple were lying around the church till a short time ago. Two large tanks, one on the eastern side of the church and the other near the western gate, are tell-tale relics of the ancient glory of the Hindu temple." D'Souza was writing in 1983 and includes pictures of the old temple walls, well and tank in his book. He is blaming St. Thomas for the templeâbreaking activities of the Portuguese and Syrian Christians.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(2) Jeebus sells his own twin brother on into slavery:
In the Myth of St Thomas, Ishwar Sharan writes about the <i>Acts of Thomas</i>
http://hamsa.org/02.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It may have been reasonable for Bardesanes to set the protagonist of his Gnostic romance, Didymus Judas Thomas, in India, as he was a student of Indian philosophy. But it is really not known what he meant by this geographical designation, as we will see, and except for the Persian namesâor their Greek equivalent if it is a Greek version of the Actsâthe idiom and atmosphere of the book are entirely West Asian with Roman cultural overtones (like having the characters lie at table to eat and drink).
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Indeed, the text runs to 74 printed pages. We begin a summary of it with Mead, who writes, "The <b>Apostle Judas Thomas, or the Twin of Jesus</b>,[5] is fabled to have received India by lot for his apostolic sphere of work. <b>Thomas at first does not wish to go, but is sold by Jesus his master</b>, to a trader from the East as a slave skilled in carpentry."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->According to that same traditional christian literature (<i>Acts</i>) jeebus is a slave-trader:
http://hamsa.org/appendix2.htm (this page is Koenraad Elst)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->From those Christian polemists insisting on the St. Thomas narrative's historicity (I will be the first to welcome the unexpected demonstration of the historicity of traditions dismissed as "myths"), <b>we may at least expect that they tell their prospective converts the whole of the story. They should not omit that it describes Thomas as Jesus's twin brother (implying that Jesus was not God's Only Begotten Son) and as an anti-social character who exhausted his royal protector's patience by luring many women away from their families; and that it relates how Jesus was a slave-trader who was not even above selling his own brother.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now we know by clear illustration what the jeebus character meant when his writers have him say that his prospective followers must abandon if not turn against their family. Jeebus has set the example.
Jeebus' "Twin Thomas Didymus" (in English that would be "Twin Twin Twin") was also into slavery - in spite of wishful modern christian rewriting of the original version of their own myth:
http://hamsa.org/12.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In an Indian Express article called "In Memory of a Slain Saint', in 1989, C.A. Simon writes, "The oppressed and the downtrodden followed [St. Thomas] and claimed equal status in society as it was denied them by the prevailing social norms. He condemned untouchability and attempted to restore equal status for women."
C.A. Simon's assertion is pure invention of course. <b>St. Thomas was executed for crimes against society</b> â whether in India or Parthia it does not matter hereâand these crimes included the subversion of family life, <b>enslavement of free-born women in the name of Jesus</b>, and sorcery. Untouchability is still rampant among "St. Thomas" Christians today and has the sanction of the Church in the form of a bull issued by Pope Gregory XV (1621-1623) authorizing caste divisions within Catholic life. Indeed, the repressive social and religious theories contained in the Acts of Thomas and earlier Gospel of Thomas[36]âwhich confines St. Thomas to Palestineâand in the New Testament itself, show these preposterous claims for St. Thomas to be motivated additions to a fable that is already overburdened with moralistic wonders.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->A clearer paragraph confirming that last:
http://hamsa.org/StThomas_Chapt_4.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This new role for St. Thomas is absurd, and whatever the merits of the new ideology-and they are doubtful-neither Jesus nor his brother Judas Thomas can be presented as champions of the oppressed and downtrodden if we are to believe the Acts of Thomas. Its first verses record that Thomas was sold into slavery by the very Jesus whose 'message of liberation' he is supposed to have brought to India. The Acts then describe how he enslaves the aristocratic women he converts and destroys their families. Finally we learn that this is the reason that King Mazdai of Parthia has him executedâand it is a good reason.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Evil is as evil does, I say. Conclusion: both fictional characters aren't just anti-heroes, they make for nasty villains. Who'd ever want to follow jeebus or respect someone like apostle thomas, however fictional these characters may be? It's bad even as a story, unless the moral is to avoid such persons entirely.
Those German filmmakers should make their movie about Jeebus the Slave-Trader who even deals in relatives, and his Twin the Slave-Maker Thomas Didymus. Should make for great viewing and be a real revelation for the global and Indian flock - it's good for them to learn some more about traditional christian literature.
PANAJI, India (Reuters) - There's no mention of him in the Bible but the plot of a fantasy film set in India gives Jesus Christ a twin brother -- and an evil one at that.
...
"If you deal with religious themes, you have to be prepared and also (careful) that you do not hurt any feelings," said Stefan. "Our film is not based on true events nor is it giving any religious message."
http://in.reuters.com/article/entertainmen...0071126?sp=true
[right][snapback]75703[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Only the premise of a twin is based on christian tradition. The other aspects of their plot is indeed modern make-believe.
According to Syrian christians' Act of Thomas, the alleged jesus did in fact have a twin - the dubious Doubting Thomas. He's known as Santa "thomas didymus" which means exactly that: twit.... twin, Twin - I said Twin.
But as for which of the two was evil - well that's up to the beholder as the saying goes. The fictional Thomas was credited with the achievements of early syrian christians' temple breaking in India (1), while jeebus - the poster-boy for equality and all such slogans - apparently sold his own twin brother thomas into slavery as per Syrian christian tradition/Acts of Thomas (2).
(1) http://hamsa.org/15.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This is an open admission by the Portuguese that a church had been built on a temple site at Mylaporeâonly they have backdated the event to the first century and attributed the crime to St. Thomas. How extraordinaryâor is it? <b>The Portuguese, and Syrian Christians before them, had given the "honour" of temple--breaking to St. Thomas</b> at Palayur, north of Cranganore, where an early seventeenth century Portuguese church built by the Jesuit Fr. James Fenicio rises amidst temple ruins today (see note 31). Fr. A. Mathias Mundadan, in History of Christianity in India, Vol. I, writes, "The remains of old temples found at Palayur and near the other traditional churches[50] are proof of this." Proof of what? Proof, it would seem, that St. Thomas destroyed temples at all the places where he is said to have built churches.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->http://hamsa.org/10.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[31] The archaeological evidence indicates that these churches were built after the ninth century by Nestorian immigrants from Persia. The famous church at Palayur north of Cranganore was built by the Portuguese and is dedicated to the fourth century martyr St. Cyriac (Mar Kuriakkos Sahada). Fr. Herman D'Souza, in In the Steps of St. Thomas, writes, "The [Palayur] temple deserted by the Brahmins as a result of St. Thomas's efforts, was turned into a church. Pieces of broken idols and remnants of the old temple were lying around the church till a short time ago. Two large tanks, one on the eastern side of the church and the other near the western gate, are tell-tale relics of the ancient glory of the Hindu temple." D'Souza was writing in 1983 and includes pictures of the old temple walls, well and tank in his book. He is blaming St. Thomas for the templeâbreaking activities of the Portuguese and Syrian Christians.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(2) Jeebus sells his own twin brother on into slavery:
In the Myth of St Thomas, Ishwar Sharan writes about the <i>Acts of Thomas</i>
http://hamsa.org/02.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It may have been reasonable for Bardesanes to set the protagonist of his Gnostic romance, Didymus Judas Thomas, in India, as he was a student of Indian philosophy. But it is really not known what he meant by this geographical designation, as we will see, and except for the Persian namesâor their Greek equivalent if it is a Greek version of the Actsâthe idiom and atmosphere of the book are entirely West Asian with Roman cultural overtones (like having the characters lie at table to eat and drink).
...
Indeed, the text runs to 74 printed pages. We begin a summary of it with Mead, who writes, "The <b>Apostle Judas Thomas, or the Twin of Jesus</b>,[5] is fabled to have received India by lot for his apostolic sphere of work. <b>Thomas at first does not wish to go, but is sold by Jesus his master</b>, to a trader from the East as a slave skilled in carpentry."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->According to that same traditional christian literature (<i>Acts</i>) jeebus is a slave-trader:
http://hamsa.org/appendix2.htm (this page is Koenraad Elst)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->From those Christian polemists insisting on the St. Thomas narrative's historicity (I will be the first to welcome the unexpected demonstration of the historicity of traditions dismissed as "myths"), <b>we may at least expect that they tell their prospective converts the whole of the story. They should not omit that it describes Thomas as Jesus's twin brother (implying that Jesus was not God's Only Begotten Son) and as an anti-social character who exhausted his royal protector's patience by luring many women away from their families; and that it relates how Jesus was a slave-trader who was not even above selling his own brother.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now we know by clear illustration what the jeebus character meant when his writers have him say that his prospective followers must abandon if not turn against their family. Jeebus has set the example.
Jeebus' "Twin Thomas Didymus" (in English that would be "Twin Twin Twin") was also into slavery - in spite of wishful modern christian rewriting of the original version of their own myth:
http://hamsa.org/12.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In an Indian Express article called "In Memory of a Slain Saint', in 1989, C.A. Simon writes, "The oppressed and the downtrodden followed [St. Thomas] and claimed equal status in society as it was denied them by the prevailing social norms. He condemned untouchability and attempted to restore equal status for women."
C.A. Simon's assertion is pure invention of course. <b>St. Thomas was executed for crimes against society</b> â whether in India or Parthia it does not matter hereâand these crimes included the subversion of family life, <b>enslavement of free-born women in the name of Jesus</b>, and sorcery. Untouchability is still rampant among "St. Thomas" Christians today and has the sanction of the Church in the form of a bull issued by Pope Gregory XV (1621-1623) authorizing caste divisions within Catholic life. Indeed, the repressive social and religious theories contained in the Acts of Thomas and earlier Gospel of Thomas[36]âwhich confines St. Thomas to Palestineâand in the New Testament itself, show these preposterous claims for St. Thomas to be motivated additions to a fable that is already overburdened with moralistic wonders.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->A clearer paragraph confirming that last:
http://hamsa.org/StThomas_Chapt_4.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This new role for St. Thomas is absurd, and whatever the merits of the new ideology-and they are doubtful-neither Jesus nor his brother Judas Thomas can be presented as champions of the oppressed and downtrodden if we are to believe the Acts of Thomas. Its first verses record that Thomas was sold into slavery by the very Jesus whose 'message of liberation' he is supposed to have brought to India. The Acts then describe how he enslaves the aristocratic women he converts and destroys their families. Finally we learn that this is the reason that King Mazdai of Parthia has him executedâand it is a good reason.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Evil is as evil does, I say. Conclusion: both fictional characters aren't just anti-heroes, they make for nasty villains. Who'd ever want to follow jeebus or respect someone like apostle thomas, however fictional these characters may be? It's bad even as a story, unless the moral is to avoid such persons entirely.
Those German filmmakers should make their movie about Jeebus the Slave-Trader who even deals in relatives, and his Twin the Slave-Maker Thomas Didymus. Should make for great viewing and be a real revelation for the global and Indian flock - it's good for them to learn some more about traditional christian literature.
Death to traitors.