01-03-2008, 07:22 AM
Shakti in other cultures
From Hancock's forum
Author: Claude (142.177.75.---)
Date: 09-May-05 14:55
Wow thanks Gary for these precious information and thanks to your post I had an breakthrough. I searched for the Shakti equivalent in other currents of thoughts as I suspected it being linked to the Shekinah of the Hebrew and the Sophia of the Hermetists and lo and behold look what I got :
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls...nah&btnG=Search
excerpt :
It should be kept in mind that the Vedic-Vaishnava sources themselves are centuries to thousands of years older than the commentaries of either Shankara or Madhva. These source works, like the Vedic Hymns, are without doubt the testimony of worshipers of the Giving (Masculine) PERSONAL DEITY PURUSHA or VISHNU and His Receiving (Feminine) PRAKRITI SHAKTI / SHEKINAH. They clearly promote YOGA, which means NOT to merge two into one, but to YOKE two together, TO MOVE AS ONE as in a pair / yoke of oxen!
The word CONJUGAL tells the entire tale about what real, authentic YOGA was all about...hence BRIDAL MYSTICISM.
The root JUG in CONJUGAL, like YOKE, means to join TWO AS ONE, but not to obliterate their diversity in that unity.
Think YOGA-YOKE-CONJUGAL. The Advaitans ignored the clear distinction in the earlier Vedic-Vaishnava source works between the Giving (YANG / PURUSHA) Supreme Self Paramatman and the Receiving (YIN / PRAKRITI) finite self, the jivatma. Thus they missed the Upanishadic Bridal Mysticism of the TWO Love Birds on the mystical TREE of LIFE, and failed to grasp the clear reference to this in the Biblical story of Adam and Eve.
"In Genesis and the Upanishadic LOVE BIRDS Tradition, the Lord and the finite soul are lovers in transcendence, but when the jiva (hEVE, the âMother of All Livingâ) becomes distracted by the fruits on the mystical tree of life, she momentarily forgets Her Lord / Lover, and tries to enjoy the fruit independently of Him, the Original Giver. This separating forgetfulness is her (maha -- material) MAYA or enthrallment, and constitutes the âfallâ of the jivas / EVE into the saha world of material birth, death, disease and old age. The jivas, who are expansions through the Receiving (YIN) potency of SHAKTI / SHEKINAH are not separated without hope of recovery within the saha world, because God their Lover as PARAMATMAN âdescendsâ to experience the saha world with them AS ADON-YAHU / ATUM / ATEN / PARAM ATMAN / ADAM / ATOMOS / AUTOS / ONTOS etc. Out of his PLENUM / PURNAM of Self-effusive love, He INCARNATES to rescue them from eternal lovelessness in the multi-universes and cyclic worlds of REAL but TEMPORARY MATTER. This Bridal Mysticism drama of divine rescue is at the core of Judeo-Catholic, Greek, Egyptian, Eastern and numerous ancient spiritualities.
The second book that I consider âmustâ reading for t/Theosophists in relationship to this subject is called Sophia-Maria: A Holistic Vision of Creation by Thomas Schipflinger (Samuel Weiser, 02/98 Paperback, ISBN 1-57863-022-3). Again this book actually zeros-in on the thea-logical connections between the Judeo-Catholic SHEKINAH (CHOKMAH) MARY-SOPHIA, the Pure Land Buddhist TARA and the Vaishnava RADHA. Like Tomberg, Fr. Schipflinger has seen through the veil of history to the single SHAKTI / SHEKINAH at the core of all the Bridal Mysticism Divine Love Traditions. What my own work brings to this truth is the actual solid interdisciplinary evidence of historical connections between these traditions. At the dawn of history in the Minoan Era in the Mediterranean Sea, HERU-ASU / HELI-US / ELI-YAHU was already worshiped there on the sacred Isle of Rhodes by Africans, Europeans and Semites as KOUROS (KRISHA KESHAVA) the Divine Lover of the Soul. On Rhodes, the monotheistic Transcendent, Incarnating and Immanent Godhead of Heliopolitan civilization in Egypt, the Levant and Europe, HELIOS KOUROS, was worshiped with His Feminine Sekhet / Shekinah (SHAKTI) RHODA-ASTARIA-NYMPHIA. This is the tradition of Mary the Mystical Rose (RHODA / RADHA), Stella Maris (TARA MARINA) and the mystical Lily or LOTUS / PADME (SRI or LAKSHMI). If one does not suffer from Euro-centric, Afro-centric or Indo-centric prejudice, or atheism, then these profoundly important connections are easy to discover studying real-world religious history."
End of excerpt.
Ok now I can finally buy this story of the Garden of Eden because I feel that it is true and I have experienced it in my life.
Most common error is to take the merge into one literally as it doesn't involve man and woman but God and woman.... so this way all the couples who oblitares their diversity into unity are bound to fail sooner or later.
Unfortunately the literalists have totally mislead people and the result is 1 out or 2 marriages end into divorce.
As somebody said Love is not to look at each other but to look in the same direction. Besides I think that "marriage" is a literal thing as opposed to the "mystical marriage" described in these philosophies. Another misleading invention of the Church.
To come back to my own life each time I was seeking human love I was in reality seeking God's love but being unaware of that I almost gave up thinking I wouldn't find it on this earth. In reality I found it inside me ! not outside like the Church would like us to believe so they can get more followers !
Maybe we can begin a new thread and copying and pasting our 2 posts on it ? what do you think ?
This is a fascinating subject and so misunderstood to the point that people vilify Egyptian religion because they take this story of mother/sister/wife literally but even though who are we to judge how people in AE chose to live....... For Mary Magdelene I have raison to believe that the truth is both. Because Mary the Virgin was a symbol (not the biological mother of Jesus) and Mary Magdelene was the other face of the symbol as in Thunder Perfect Mind. According to Tony Bushby and the genealogy he provided she was also the half-sister of Jesus but it is the literal interpretation. Esoterically it makes sense that Mary Magdelene was the Mother, Sister and Consort of Jesus.
Best,
Claude
*Peaceful Warrior and Crusader for the Truth*
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.p...02#reply_181174
From Hancock's forum
Author: Claude (142.177.75.---)
Date: 09-May-05 14:55
Wow thanks Gary for these precious information and thanks to your post I had an breakthrough. I searched for the Shakti equivalent in other currents of thoughts as I suspected it being linked to the Shekinah of the Hebrew and the Sophia of the Hermetists and lo and behold look what I got :
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls...nah&btnG=Search
excerpt :
It should be kept in mind that the Vedic-Vaishnava sources themselves are centuries to thousands of years older than the commentaries of either Shankara or Madhva. These source works, like the Vedic Hymns, are without doubt the testimony of worshipers of the Giving (Masculine) PERSONAL DEITY PURUSHA or VISHNU and His Receiving (Feminine) PRAKRITI SHAKTI / SHEKINAH. They clearly promote YOGA, which means NOT to merge two into one, but to YOKE two together, TO MOVE AS ONE as in a pair / yoke of oxen!
The word CONJUGAL tells the entire tale about what real, authentic YOGA was all about...hence BRIDAL MYSTICISM.
The root JUG in CONJUGAL, like YOKE, means to join TWO AS ONE, but not to obliterate their diversity in that unity.
Think YOGA-YOKE-CONJUGAL. The Advaitans ignored the clear distinction in the earlier Vedic-Vaishnava source works between the Giving (YANG / PURUSHA) Supreme Self Paramatman and the Receiving (YIN / PRAKRITI) finite self, the jivatma. Thus they missed the Upanishadic Bridal Mysticism of the TWO Love Birds on the mystical TREE of LIFE, and failed to grasp the clear reference to this in the Biblical story of Adam and Eve.
"In Genesis and the Upanishadic LOVE BIRDS Tradition, the Lord and the finite soul are lovers in transcendence, but when the jiva (hEVE, the âMother of All Livingâ) becomes distracted by the fruits on the mystical tree of life, she momentarily forgets Her Lord / Lover, and tries to enjoy the fruit independently of Him, the Original Giver. This separating forgetfulness is her (maha -- material) MAYA or enthrallment, and constitutes the âfallâ of the jivas / EVE into the saha world of material birth, death, disease and old age. The jivas, who are expansions through the Receiving (YIN) potency of SHAKTI / SHEKINAH are not separated without hope of recovery within the saha world, because God their Lover as PARAMATMAN âdescendsâ to experience the saha world with them AS ADON-YAHU / ATUM / ATEN / PARAM ATMAN / ADAM / ATOMOS / AUTOS / ONTOS etc. Out of his PLENUM / PURNAM of Self-effusive love, He INCARNATES to rescue them from eternal lovelessness in the multi-universes and cyclic worlds of REAL but TEMPORARY MATTER. This Bridal Mysticism drama of divine rescue is at the core of Judeo-Catholic, Greek, Egyptian, Eastern and numerous ancient spiritualities.
The second book that I consider âmustâ reading for t/Theosophists in relationship to this subject is called Sophia-Maria: A Holistic Vision of Creation by Thomas Schipflinger (Samuel Weiser, 02/98 Paperback, ISBN 1-57863-022-3). Again this book actually zeros-in on the thea-logical connections between the Judeo-Catholic SHEKINAH (CHOKMAH) MARY-SOPHIA, the Pure Land Buddhist TARA and the Vaishnava RADHA. Like Tomberg, Fr. Schipflinger has seen through the veil of history to the single SHAKTI / SHEKINAH at the core of all the Bridal Mysticism Divine Love Traditions. What my own work brings to this truth is the actual solid interdisciplinary evidence of historical connections between these traditions. At the dawn of history in the Minoan Era in the Mediterranean Sea, HERU-ASU / HELI-US / ELI-YAHU was already worshiped there on the sacred Isle of Rhodes by Africans, Europeans and Semites as KOUROS (KRISHA KESHAVA) the Divine Lover of the Soul. On Rhodes, the monotheistic Transcendent, Incarnating and Immanent Godhead of Heliopolitan civilization in Egypt, the Levant and Europe, HELIOS KOUROS, was worshiped with His Feminine Sekhet / Shekinah (SHAKTI) RHODA-ASTARIA-NYMPHIA. This is the tradition of Mary the Mystical Rose (RHODA / RADHA), Stella Maris (TARA MARINA) and the mystical Lily or LOTUS / PADME (SRI or LAKSHMI). If one does not suffer from Euro-centric, Afro-centric or Indo-centric prejudice, or atheism, then these profoundly important connections are easy to discover studying real-world religious history."
End of excerpt.
Ok now I can finally buy this story of the Garden of Eden because I feel that it is true and I have experienced it in my life.
Most common error is to take the merge into one literally as it doesn't involve man and woman but God and woman.... so this way all the couples who oblitares their diversity into unity are bound to fail sooner or later.
Unfortunately the literalists have totally mislead people and the result is 1 out or 2 marriages end into divorce.
As somebody said Love is not to look at each other but to look in the same direction. Besides I think that "marriage" is a literal thing as opposed to the "mystical marriage" described in these philosophies. Another misleading invention of the Church.
To come back to my own life each time I was seeking human love I was in reality seeking God's love but being unaware of that I almost gave up thinking I wouldn't find it on this earth. In reality I found it inside me ! not outside like the Church would like us to believe so they can get more followers !
Maybe we can begin a new thread and copying and pasting our 2 posts on it ? what do you think ?
This is a fascinating subject and so misunderstood to the point that people vilify Egyptian religion because they take this story of mother/sister/wife literally but even though who are we to judge how people in AE chose to live....... For Mary Magdelene I have raison to believe that the truth is both. Because Mary the Virgin was a symbol (not the biological mother of Jesus) and Mary Magdelene was the other face of the symbol as in Thunder Perfect Mind. According to Tony Bushby and the genealogy he provided she was also the half-sister of Jesus but it is the literal interpretation. Esoterically it makes sense that Mary Magdelene was the Mother, Sister and Consort of Jesus.
Best,
Claude
*Peaceful Warrior and Crusader for the Truth*
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.p...02#reply_181174