01-29-2008, 12:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-sureshmoorthy+Jan 29 2008, 12:12 PM-->QUOTE(sureshmoorthy @ Jan 29 2008, 12:12 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi Shambu,
Yes, it's very frustrating. I've given them links to heaps of sites, books, and what not. But I hear the same thing from these worthies: you're rss fanatic! I know we should keep trying, but I also feel it's better to focus on people we CAN change, rather than waste our time on these people. I believe there are two classes of people, those who are ignorant and those in denial. We can ignore the latter completely, they just dont want to listen and understand.
Suresh
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Christians have a well advanced organizational setup and it is very difficult to convince an ignorant person about the threats. What they see are hospitals, schools, and orphanages run by them and not what you tell them.
To handle this, in my opinion, you need to adopt a different strategy, starting with patience. You need to keep on showing your friends the church frauds that <b>currently</b> happens (not very old one because they will say church has reformed). For example, the big murder and financial scam in a major catholic prayer house in Kerala, fraudulent claim used to get sainthood for mother teresa, huge paedophile scandal in US church, evangelists getting caught in Afghanistan and Iraq while trying to convert through covert methods, and many other issues where missionaries and church are clearly involved. Make these cases very objective without any extrapolation or bias. When they see many things that were going on but escaped their attention, they will start taking you seriously.
You must concurrently start showing how outside powers (read western countries) try to control India. You can get many examples if you track events carefully on this forum. You can easily show how leftists, environmentalists and NGOs work systematically against Indian interests.
Once you are successful in the above two, you can show many events where leftists and church work together, especially when they target RSS/BJP or during annual Ambedkar conversion drive. Then you can show that church is also another western agent to control India.
What you also need to remember is that you can not convince everybody. You are very successful if you could influence 20% of your friends. Call other 80% (who acutally are in denial mode) ignorant Joes so that they find it diffult to defend or support church. Then I will say you are 100% succesful!
Yes, it's very frustrating. I've given them links to heaps of sites, books, and what not. But I hear the same thing from these worthies: you're rss fanatic! I know we should keep trying, but I also feel it's better to focus on people we CAN change, rather than waste our time on these people. I believe there are two classes of people, those who are ignorant and those in denial. We can ignore the latter completely, they just dont want to listen and understand.
Suresh
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Christians have a well advanced organizational setup and it is very difficult to convince an ignorant person about the threats. What they see are hospitals, schools, and orphanages run by them and not what you tell them.
To handle this, in my opinion, you need to adopt a different strategy, starting with patience. You need to keep on showing your friends the church frauds that <b>currently</b> happens (not very old one because they will say church has reformed). For example, the big murder and financial scam in a major catholic prayer house in Kerala, fraudulent claim used to get sainthood for mother teresa, huge paedophile scandal in US church, evangelists getting caught in Afghanistan and Iraq while trying to convert through covert methods, and many other issues where missionaries and church are clearly involved. Make these cases very objective without any extrapolation or bias. When they see many things that were going on but escaped their attention, they will start taking you seriously.
You must concurrently start showing how outside powers (read western countries) try to control India. You can get many examples if you track events carefully on this forum. You can easily show how leftists, environmentalists and NGOs work systematically against Indian interests.
Once you are successful in the above two, you can show many events where leftists and church work together, especially when they target RSS/BJP or during annual Ambedkar conversion drive. Then you can show that church is also another western agent to control India.
What you also need to remember is that you can not convince everybody. You are very successful if you could influence 20% of your friends. Call other 80% (who acutally are in denial mode) ignorant Joes so that they find it diffult to defend or support church. Then I will say you are 100% succesful!