07-22-2004, 01:52 PM
Gouki, i appreciate your frankness in bringing up this subject, but i must totally disagree with you. Your concern for the plight of the Palestininas is touching but would ring more true if you showed equal or greater concern for the 400,000 indians in the kashmir Valley and the Hindu who has been wiped out in apakistan and is being wiped out in Bangladesh as we speak The fundamental assumptions you make about the world and israel are quite different from the ones that i make about Israel. Let me tell you the situation as i see it.
1.As an Indian i have no enmity towards israel. israel has never attacked India. Israelis do not commit terrorist acts against india. They do not fund madrassahs to teach hatred against the Hindu. They do not burn Indian babies and women in kerosene and then claim they were karsevaks and that they deserved to die. They do not denigrate my religion and call me a kafir or infidel. On the contrary Israel has been one of the main countries that has always been helpful to india right from the beginning in 1950, despite the fact that India has been distinctly cool towards israel till the mid 1990s.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslims don't want to take over the world<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe , maybe not, but their behavior as a religious class of people does not give cause for comfort to the rest of the world. The entire Islamic world was silent for the most part when the Taliban destroyed the Bamiyan Buddha statues. Those statues were a reminder to the Ummah that Afghanistan was once populated extensively aby a rich and thriving Buddhist/Hindu culture and so the statues had to go to remove the last vestiges of Dar ul Harb so that it remains a pure Dar ul Islam like its neighbor pakistan. For the most part the Islamic world has acquiesced in this act with a wink and a nod and the perpetrators of this heinous act roam free with not even an attempt to catch them and bring them to justice even though the current government of Afghanistan is supposedly against the Taliban. This monolithic silence is deafening to the ear and reinforces the impression that when it comes to matters such as bigotry there is little difference between the sophisticated muslim of India and his more rustic cousin in Saudi Arabia. Thisis not to say that there no thoughtful Muslims in India who can think for themselves, but for the most part they remain so petrified with fear of the Mullahs that they dare not speak up and express their opinion.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Terrorists DO NOT represent the Islamic community, they are a small minority of nutcases<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->.
So you say . i agree that all Muslims are not terrorists, but for the most part almost every terrorist in the world today is a Muslim. As for being a small minority, the actual numbers of people who take part as jihadis maybe small (how small nobody knows for sure, could run easily intoo the tens of thousands)but these 'nutcases' are well financed by rich Saudi Arabia and militarily powerful Pakistan. Pakistan is a premier example of a narco-terorist state. it is run by terorrorists and thugs disguised as Generals. Its army of cowards does not even bury their own dead while claiming the soldiers do not even belong to Pakistan. This is a state that practices mutilation against the soldiers of its adversary as a policy intended to strike terror into their hearts . If this is a civilized state, then surely i am the Pope.
Furthermore in every instance , the jihadi believes that he is doing what he is doing (mostly murder of children and women) because it is sanctioned by their holy texts and primariy by the Koran.If these people really are believed to be not representative of islam then how do you explain the widespread adulation for our dear old osama bin laden . Remember they burned Buses in Bangalore in support of the actions of Osama against the Americans .
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslims don't have one central authority where battle plans are drawn out<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->.
Whether this is true or not i cannot say. But there is significant power in the axis nations of pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom of the House of Saud provides the financing and Pakistan provides what it has in most abundance - mujaheedin and jihadis. You say the Arabs are our friends. These are strange friends indeed that treat indians like dirt in their country and who invariably side with pakistan regardless of the large scale massacres that the Pakis practiced in B'Desh prior to its indeependence. No i have yet to meet a Saudi who is respectful and courteous towards Indians in general. For the most part they are arrogant, medieval, bigoted , religious fundamentalists who think with their genitals.
I have more to say on the matter, but it is already late in the night and leave the rest of my thoughts for another day.
1.As an Indian i have no enmity towards israel. israel has never attacked India. Israelis do not commit terrorist acts against india. They do not fund madrassahs to teach hatred against the Hindu. They do not burn Indian babies and women in kerosene and then claim they were karsevaks and that they deserved to die. They do not denigrate my religion and call me a kafir or infidel. On the contrary Israel has been one of the main countries that has always been helpful to india right from the beginning in 1950, despite the fact that India has been distinctly cool towards israel till the mid 1990s.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslims don't want to take over the world<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe , maybe not, but their behavior as a religious class of people does not give cause for comfort to the rest of the world. The entire Islamic world was silent for the most part when the Taliban destroyed the Bamiyan Buddha statues. Those statues were a reminder to the Ummah that Afghanistan was once populated extensively aby a rich and thriving Buddhist/Hindu culture and so the statues had to go to remove the last vestiges of Dar ul Harb so that it remains a pure Dar ul Islam like its neighbor pakistan. For the most part the Islamic world has acquiesced in this act with a wink and a nod and the perpetrators of this heinous act roam free with not even an attempt to catch them and bring them to justice even though the current government of Afghanistan is supposedly against the Taliban. This monolithic silence is deafening to the ear and reinforces the impression that when it comes to matters such as bigotry there is little difference between the sophisticated muslim of India and his more rustic cousin in Saudi Arabia. Thisis not to say that there no thoughtful Muslims in India who can think for themselves, but for the most part they remain so petrified with fear of the Mullahs that they dare not speak up and express their opinion.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Terrorists DO NOT represent the Islamic community, they are a small minority of nutcases<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->.
So you say . i agree that all Muslims are not terrorists, but for the most part almost every terrorist in the world today is a Muslim. As for being a small minority, the actual numbers of people who take part as jihadis maybe small (how small nobody knows for sure, could run easily intoo the tens of thousands)but these 'nutcases' are well financed by rich Saudi Arabia and militarily powerful Pakistan. Pakistan is a premier example of a narco-terorist state. it is run by terorrorists and thugs disguised as Generals. Its army of cowards does not even bury their own dead while claiming the soldiers do not even belong to Pakistan. This is a state that practices mutilation against the soldiers of its adversary as a policy intended to strike terror into their hearts . If this is a civilized state, then surely i am the Pope.
Furthermore in every instance , the jihadi believes that he is doing what he is doing (mostly murder of children and women) because it is sanctioned by their holy texts and primariy by the Koran.If these people really are believed to be not representative of islam then how do you explain the widespread adulation for our dear old osama bin laden . Remember they burned Buses in Bangalore in support of the actions of Osama against the Americans .
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslims don't have one central authority where battle plans are drawn out<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->.
Whether this is true or not i cannot say. But there is significant power in the axis nations of pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom of the House of Saud provides the financing and Pakistan provides what it has in most abundance - mujaheedin and jihadis. You say the Arabs are our friends. These are strange friends indeed that treat indians like dirt in their country and who invariably side with pakistan regardless of the large scale massacres that the Pakis practiced in B'Desh prior to its indeependence. No i have yet to meet a Saudi who is respectful and courteous towards Indians in general. For the most part they are arrogant, medieval, bigoted , religious fundamentalists who think with their genitals.
I have more to say on the matter, but it is already late in the night and leave the rest of my thoughts for another day.