<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He's as white as a <b>caucasian</b>, period. The same goes for many, many people I've seen in the North, it isn't relative at all.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->As for some N Indians being fair as "Caucasians" - well, it's true that a number of Armenians look Indian enough to make me wonder where they're from (whilst others look E-European). And Armenia is in the Caucasus.
The Armenians I'm talking about are brown enough not to be considered European but 'exotic'. There was a whole segment on Armenia in the Times mag here some months ago and about half the people in the pictures could have convinced me if they said they were Indian. The other half looked thoroughly Russian, though.
Here you go, pictures of some Armenian (when going by the surname) moviestar - could pass for an Indian colour, IMO:
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3414/E...5578672_400.jpg
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/6565/E...4948884_400.jpg
Turns out Armenians were of the Zoroastrian religion. Certainly their names still seem somewhat Iranian-sounding to me (surnames often end on "-ian") - even though it's regularly emphasized how they're not an Iranian people. Yet they still manage to have first names like Arthashes, Varazdat, and similar which sound pretty Iranian to these ears. (Others have Russian names, but that might be on the parts that border Russian lands, or from the time the country became part of the Soviet Union.)
(Apparently there were even Hindus in Armenia: http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_XIV.htm)
Moving on, Sarmatian communities (Iranian people) settled somewhere in the Caucasus too. And Iran is right next door to Afghanistan. So if some people in the Caucasus look N Indian - well, that might be because some Iranians kinda could pass for Indian. I think the pretty Parsee lady in the original Star Trek series looked passably N Indian, and Parsees are true-blue Iranian.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Feb 1 2008, 04:27 AM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Feb 1 2008, 04:27 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Either way, no one knows if esh rai's eyes are really blue or if they are contacts. She has never disclosed that fact. To me they have the fake glimmer of contact lenses. In all my years spent in Bharat, I've never seen anyone with blue eyes.
[right][snapback]77893[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Had already stated my opinion on this earlier: post 58 in DNA thread
But in summary:
(1) Aishwarya Rai could just have grey eyes. Until at least 1998/1999 her eyes were heralded as "green". A little later, and references to them being "blue" were doing the rounds.
Grey eyes reflect colour of clothing and surrounding colours. With some grey-eyed people it can easily look like they have blue eyes one day, while it looks like green or violet eyes on another day.
(2) Green and grey eyes are said to be accidental, as per my bio class.
So Aishwarya's all-Bunt ancestors (native Tulu speakers - a language classed as "Dravidian" by the Oryanists/Dravidianists) need never have had any ancestors who went and dipped their toe in the Black Sea or thereabouts.
(3) Even if any Indian's eyes were blue: I didn't know that Europe has tabs on origin of blue eyes. In fact, I've never seen it proved that blue eyes are the exclusive property of Europe. Yes, it occurs there lots more frequently. But since blue is stated to occur (though very rarely) in India, why can't it also have an independent origin in India? Why is it impossible for blue to occur - albeit in lower frequencies - in, say, Kashmir? And with extremely rare frequencies in less predictable parts of India? Stranger things <i>have</i> happened.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ash and Angelina may have common ancestors... "blue eyes"... "Black Sea"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why not some shared N American native American ancestry. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> In any case, Angelina is known to have native American ancestry.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Scientists studying the genetics of eye colour at the University of Copenhagen found that more than 99.5 per cent of blue-eyed people who volunteered to have their DNA analysed have the same tiny mutation in the gene that determines the colour of the iris.
Professor Hans Eiberg of the university said he has analysed the DNA of about 800 people with blue eyes, ranging from fair-skinned, blond-haired <b>Scandinavians to</b> dark-skinned, <b>blue-eyed people living in Turkey and Jordan</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Did they say Turkey and Jordan? Islamic slave traffic of E-Europeans could explain the surfacing of the Black Sea's blue-eyed genes there. And of course, lots of Greek genes still remain in Anatolia-turned-Turkey today. Then there were the Crusades that introduced many unwanted pregnancies in the ME - that could explain it very well too.
Still says nothing here about Indians let alone Aishwarya.
What I want to know is how many (if <i>any</i>) Indians were sampled in this grand "genetics study". Finding <i>blue</i>-eyed Indians must have been a difficult business for them. (Not grey or green, mind - which are said to be somewhat regular among GSBs.) But even if they didn't bother finding one such Indian, they *will* draw sweeping conclusions, won't they? After all, they must defend the copyright ('originating claim') on blue eyes, fair skin and all. Can't allow a Bunt girl with grey(?) eyes to encroach on their long-held record for uniqueness. Besides, the AIT must be propped up somehow when Oryan corpses have still not surfaced anywhere.
Maybe if they sit and concentrate on Oryans, one will finally manifest before them... Should I encourage them to hold their breath, however? :moral dilemma
The Armenians I'm talking about are brown enough not to be considered European but 'exotic'. There was a whole segment on Armenia in the Times mag here some months ago and about half the people in the pictures could have convinced me if they said they were Indian. The other half looked thoroughly Russian, though.
Here you go, pictures of some Armenian (when going by the surname) moviestar - could pass for an Indian colour, IMO:
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3414/E...5578672_400.jpg
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/6565/E...4948884_400.jpg
Turns out Armenians were of the Zoroastrian religion. Certainly their names still seem somewhat Iranian-sounding to me (surnames often end on "-ian") - even though it's regularly emphasized how they're not an Iranian people. Yet they still manage to have first names like Arthashes, Varazdat, and similar which sound pretty Iranian to these ears. (Others have Russian names, but that might be on the parts that border Russian lands, or from the time the country became part of the Soviet Union.)
(Apparently there were even Hindus in Armenia: http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_XIV.htm)
Moving on, Sarmatian communities (Iranian people) settled somewhere in the Caucasus too. And Iran is right next door to Afghanistan. So if some people in the Caucasus look N Indian - well, that might be because some Iranians kinda could pass for Indian. I think the pretty Parsee lady in the original Star Trek series looked passably N Indian, and Parsees are true-blue Iranian.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Feb 1 2008, 04:27 AM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Feb 1 2008, 04:27 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Either way, no one knows if esh rai's eyes are really blue or if they are contacts. She has never disclosed that fact. To me they have the fake glimmer of contact lenses. In all my years spent in Bharat, I've never seen anyone with blue eyes.
[right][snapback]77893[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Had already stated my opinion on this earlier: post 58 in DNA thread
But in summary:
(1) Aishwarya Rai could just have grey eyes. Until at least 1998/1999 her eyes were heralded as "green". A little later, and references to them being "blue" were doing the rounds.
Grey eyes reflect colour of clothing and surrounding colours. With some grey-eyed people it can easily look like they have blue eyes one day, while it looks like green or violet eyes on another day.
(2) Green and grey eyes are said to be accidental, as per my bio class.
So Aishwarya's all-Bunt ancestors (native Tulu speakers - a language classed as "Dravidian" by the Oryanists/Dravidianists) need never have had any ancestors who went and dipped their toe in the Black Sea or thereabouts.
(3) Even if any Indian's eyes were blue: I didn't know that Europe has tabs on origin of blue eyes. In fact, I've never seen it proved that blue eyes are the exclusive property of Europe. Yes, it occurs there lots more frequently. But since blue is stated to occur (though very rarely) in India, why can't it also have an independent origin in India? Why is it impossible for blue to occur - albeit in lower frequencies - in, say, Kashmir? And with extremely rare frequencies in less predictable parts of India? Stranger things <i>have</i> happened.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ash and Angelina may have common ancestors... "blue eyes"... "Black Sea"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why not some shared N American native American ancestry. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> In any case, Angelina is known to have native American ancestry.<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Scientists studying the genetics of eye colour at the University of Copenhagen found that more than 99.5 per cent of blue-eyed people who volunteered to have their DNA analysed have the same tiny mutation in the gene that determines the colour of the iris.
Professor Hans Eiberg of the university said he has analysed the DNA of about 800 people with blue eyes, ranging from fair-skinned, blond-haired <b>Scandinavians to</b> dark-skinned, <b>blue-eyed people living in Turkey and Jordan</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Did they say Turkey and Jordan? Islamic slave traffic of E-Europeans could explain the surfacing of the Black Sea's blue-eyed genes there. And of course, lots of Greek genes still remain in Anatolia-turned-Turkey today. Then there were the Crusades that introduced many unwanted pregnancies in the ME - that could explain it very well too.
Still says nothing here about Indians let alone Aishwarya.
What I want to know is how many (if <i>any</i>) Indians were sampled in this grand "genetics study". Finding <i>blue</i>-eyed Indians must have been a difficult business for them. (Not grey or green, mind - which are said to be somewhat regular among GSBs.) But even if they didn't bother finding one such Indian, they *will* draw sweeping conclusions, won't they? After all, they must defend the copyright ('originating claim') on blue eyes, fair skin and all. Can't allow a Bunt girl with grey(?) eyes to encroach on their long-held record for uniqueness. Besides, the AIT must be propped up somehow when Oryan corpses have still not surfaced anywhere.
Maybe if they sit and concentrate on Oryans, one will finally manifest before them... Should I encourage them to hold their breath, however? :moral dilemma