07-23-2004, 10:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Lets look at history. We have supported the palestinians for the last 50+ years. What did we get in return? A silence from the islamic world on our issue with lotaLand?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
India shares some very warm ties with the Arab world, which also did not protest when Hindu nationalists commited some unspeakable atrocities against Indian Muslims during the Gujrat riots that shocked the international community. This silence definately made the BJP very happy I'm sure.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Regarding China and Europe being on the side of Palestine, and then taking on US for the palestinian cause........i don't see it happening. I mean why would Europe and China take on US for that tiny piece of land? what's there to gain for these two groups.......<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh, I see you misunderstood what I've said. Israel is effectively a US client state whose purpose is to keep arab nationalism down and to eventually colonise the middle east for US oil interests. This war isn't fought for religion, it is being fought by people for oil using religion (and many other things) as a pretext. As US control over oil producing nations grows, there will come a point that the US may actually be able to manipulate the global supply of oil. You can clearly see that such power will enable them to shut down the economy of any nation. You can clearly see how Europe's and China's economies will be threatened. You can thus see that this conflict for oil interests could spark world war 3.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->N' if you taking about oil........the day the Arab world says No oil for India meaning complete collapse for India.............trust me, there is many things we can do to make sure they don't get to repeat that line.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm curious, like what?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Does this tell you something that mostly muslims support the palestinians? Do you see that there might just be a tiny thread called islam that ties all this things together?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And do you know that most of Israel's true support comes from the Christian right and Jewish lobbies in the US? So what? Islam isn't just the only religion involved here, open your eyes and learn to see beyond your petty prejudice. Furthurmore the Euros and the Chinese support the Palestinians hoping for long term economic gain. I believe their motives are realistic as I've described above.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why is it that Indian muslims falling head over heels in supporting palestine while not one indian muslim ever stood up for the rights of there own fellow country men (Pandits) when they were kicked out of their own homes by their co-religionists?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you are reffering to the creation of Pakistan and the expulsion of Hindus from that territory, I share your anger. I view Pakistan the same way I view Israel: A minority that usurped the land of the majority. Israel and Pakistan should never have been created.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No offence to you, but the word 'justice' doesn't sound right coming from a muslim whose religion's basic tenets deny justice, equal respect, to non-muslims. I know you would disagree with this......but lets just agree to disagree on this.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yipeee, more racist bullshit. Ah well, I'm getting used to it as I go. Anyways, to the point. What do you actually know about the religion of Islam appart from watching watching Hindutva propoganda and too much TV? Have you read any Islamic literature? Have you read the Quran? Have you read the Hadith? I'm guessing no in all 3 cases. And you know what? I've read about half of the Ramayan and parts of the mahabharat. Funny eh? I try and understand your religion in good faith while you lack the same decency towards mine. Oh well, what can you do?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->My question is: On whose side Indian muslims gonna be........On India's side or against India?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not the one to blindly follow my government. That's what living in a democracy is all about. Thank you for suspecting my loyalty tho, you make me feel so comfortable in my own home.
India shares some very warm ties with the Arab world, which also did not protest when Hindu nationalists commited some unspeakable atrocities against Indian Muslims during the Gujrat riots that shocked the international community. This silence definately made the BJP very happy I'm sure.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Regarding China and Europe being on the side of Palestine, and then taking on US for the palestinian cause........i don't see it happening. I mean why would Europe and China take on US for that tiny piece of land? what's there to gain for these two groups.......<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh, I see you misunderstood what I've said. Israel is effectively a US client state whose purpose is to keep arab nationalism down and to eventually colonise the middle east for US oil interests. This war isn't fought for religion, it is being fought by people for oil using religion (and many other things) as a pretext. As US control over oil producing nations grows, there will come a point that the US may actually be able to manipulate the global supply of oil. You can clearly see that such power will enable them to shut down the economy of any nation. You can clearly see how Europe's and China's economies will be threatened. You can thus see that this conflict for oil interests could spark world war 3.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->N' if you taking about oil........the day the Arab world says No oil for India meaning complete collapse for India.............trust me, there is many things we can do to make sure they don't get to repeat that line.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm curious, like what?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Does this tell you something that mostly muslims support the palestinians? Do you see that there might just be a tiny thread called islam that ties all this things together?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And do you know that most of Israel's true support comes from the Christian right and Jewish lobbies in the US? So what? Islam isn't just the only religion involved here, open your eyes and learn to see beyond your petty prejudice. Furthurmore the Euros and the Chinese support the Palestinians hoping for long term economic gain. I believe their motives are realistic as I've described above.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why is it that Indian muslims falling head over heels in supporting palestine while not one indian muslim ever stood up for the rights of there own fellow country men (Pandits) when they were kicked out of their own homes by their co-religionists?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you are reffering to the creation of Pakistan and the expulsion of Hindus from that territory, I share your anger. I view Pakistan the same way I view Israel: A minority that usurped the land of the majority. Israel and Pakistan should never have been created.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No offence to you, but the word 'justice' doesn't sound right coming from a muslim whose religion's basic tenets deny justice, equal respect, to non-muslims. I know you would disagree with this......but lets just agree to disagree on this.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yipeee, more racist bullshit. Ah well, I'm getting used to it as I go. Anyways, to the point. What do you actually know about the religion of Islam appart from watching watching Hindutva propoganda and too much TV? Have you read any Islamic literature? Have you read the Quran? Have you read the Hadith? I'm guessing no in all 3 cases. And you know what? I've read about half of the Ramayan and parts of the mahabharat. Funny eh? I try and understand your religion in good faith while you lack the same decency towards mine. Oh well, what can you do?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->My question is: On whose side Indian muslims gonna be........On India's side or against India?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not the one to blindly follow my government. That's what living in a democracy is all about. Thank you for suspecting my loyalty tho, you make me feel so comfortable in my own home.