Nothing more than psyops in this article, should be moved to "motivated media thread" IMO.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 4 2008, 08:39 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 4 2008, 08:39 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Medvedev is Madhu Vedi in Sanskrit!
PTI | Moscow
Experts believe that Arctic Russia was the home of Indo-European Aryans tribes before they migrated to the South due to advent of Ice Age.
(There are also sane experts unmentioned above, who ask themselves who these Oryans are and whether there's any record of their existence. Basic question: how could Oryans have lived in Arctic Russia if no one has any evidence that they're more than a fantasy)
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Outstanding Indian scholar of Vedas and freedom fighter Bal Gangadhar Tilak in his book The Arctic Home in Vedas has also mentioned about the common roots of the Russians and Indians.
(His book is fiction, widely acknowledged as having no bearing on IE either.)
Addressing eminent Indians at a private gathering in the Russian Embassy in New Delhi, Putin for the first time publicly acknowledged that the common roots of Indians and Russians date back to 'days of Zoroaster', as he did not want to evoke the wrath of the powerful Orthodox Church and Jewish lobby by mentioning the word 'Aryan'.Â
(If the above is true, he has said no more than acknowledge the Zoroastrian connection that parts of Russia had. Why assume/insinuate that he made an allusion to Oryans but had to "hide it"?
Zoroastrians and Hindus are historical. Oryans have never been - there's still no evidence for their historicity. And no evidence they have any connection with Zoroastrians or Hindus of Iran and India.)[right][snapback]79268[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->There are countless words in Russian and other languages that sound like one Indian language or another (oooh, language games! fun! <!--emo&<_<--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). Medvedev doesn't come as close to Indian words as some others. But Press Trust of India (PTI) may tell us where they've found actual proof of Oryans, before trying to sell the idea.
Methinks the above was written by an Indian christoterrorist (I suppose a psecularado or communist would be a possibility as well... even if less likely):
(1) Putin is booed all over the world, certainly by westernised Indian christians
(2) The above seeks to insinuate that Zoroastrian and Hindu people are opposed to Jewish concerns, by artificially and unrealistically combining Jews with the church and posing the two as conflicting groups.
(3) Setting up Russia with heathen India on one hand against the church and Jews. They're painting shades of nazi intolerance/elitism versus righteous christos (righteous only by association as the christos having now linked themselves - in that one statement, though never in actual fact or history - with the Jews). Meanwhile the facts of history show that christos <i>were</i> the nazis while the Orthodox church hounded many a Jewish person to his/her death.
That one line is meant to distance themselves from the nazis by tying Jewish people to themselves while attaching nazi connotations and alleged aspirations onto Hindus.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ever since the rise of Nazi Germany and the Hitler's crimes against the Jews during the Second World War anything Aryan had been a taboo in Communist Russia and for the first time President Vladimir Putin had made a timid attempt to mention the Aryan roots of Russia during his visit to India in January 2007.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And here they're making it sound like Putin has Oryan-infatuations and tendencies, by portraying him as having had to "hide" his alleged wish to mention some Oryan roots or whatnot. There's no evidence of his actually wanting to indicate "something else" or that he's been feeling "impeded" from mentioning the Oryans all through communist times because of some taboo. Who knows what he thinks of Oryans.
If he mentioned Zoroastrians, then that really says nothing more than just Zoroastrians. But the PTI writer(s) - are they mind-readers that they try to put words in his mouth?
(4) Pathetic efforts to rake up their Oryan tale again.
They have given no proof that Medvedev has anything to do with Samskritam other than state it repeatedly. Tilak's book is also fiction and irrelevant, it's only brought up to tie Oryans with Hindu nationalists in readers' minds:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Outstanding Indian scholar of Vedas and freedom fighter Bal Gangadhar Tilak<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->An entire multi-para article on what Putin "actually meant" where they quote <b>only 3 of his words</b> (which have nothing to do with Oryans anyway), and where they provide no evidence at all that their insinuations is indeed what he "meant". And in the world of IE-fantasy/scholarship, the "days of Zoroaster" come WAY after any Oryan invasions/migrations, because Zoroastrianism comes long after the supposed Europe-meets-India/Iran routine. So in that case too, how does a Russian connection with Zoroastrian period reference Oryans?
And then there's also:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Experts believe that Arctic Russia was the home of Indo-European Aryans tribes before they migrated to the South due to advent of Ice Age.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->They couldn't mean... In that case, No, Siberia and the parts of Russia neighbouring Alaska have NEVER been the original home of IE peoples. They've been the original home of "circumpolar tribes" or something - meaning the people like Sami and Innuit. All non-"IE".
In fact, the reporter(s) have said nothing concrete about where they're going with the article, except that one statement where they mention "Orthodox church and Jewish lobby". That is the crucial line in the whole article. They give their intentions away there. It is the key that explains the other paragraphs: shows the setup and the conclusion, the intended audience and the ideas they want to instill with it in various readers.
For instance, the statement about the 'Arctic Russian homeland of IE' is only to once again alienate Hindu Dharma from India in the mind of the audience, while the alien terrorist religion is made to sound more people-friendly/more righteous, more sympathetic and easier to relate to by mentioning it alongside Judaism.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 4 2008, 08:39 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 4 2008, 08:39 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Medvedev is Madhu Vedi in Sanskrit!
PTI | Moscow
Experts believe that Arctic Russia was the home of Indo-European Aryans tribes before they migrated to the South due to advent of Ice Age.
(There are also sane experts unmentioned above, who ask themselves who these Oryans are and whether there's any record of their existence. Basic question: how could Oryans have lived in Arctic Russia if no one has any evidence that they're more than a fantasy)
...
Outstanding Indian scholar of Vedas and freedom fighter Bal Gangadhar Tilak in his book The Arctic Home in Vedas has also mentioned about the common roots of the Russians and Indians.
(His book is fiction, widely acknowledged as having no bearing on IE either.)
Addressing eminent Indians at a private gathering in the Russian Embassy in New Delhi, Putin for the first time publicly acknowledged that the common roots of Indians and Russians date back to 'days of Zoroaster', as he did not want to evoke the wrath of the powerful Orthodox Church and Jewish lobby by mentioning the word 'Aryan'.Â
(If the above is true, he has said no more than acknowledge the Zoroastrian connection that parts of Russia had. Why assume/insinuate that he made an allusion to Oryans but had to "hide it"?
Zoroastrians and Hindus are historical. Oryans have never been - there's still no evidence for their historicity. And no evidence they have any connection with Zoroastrians or Hindus of Iran and India.)[right][snapback]79268[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->There are countless words in Russian and other languages that sound like one Indian language or another (oooh, language games! fun! <!--emo&<_<--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). Medvedev doesn't come as close to Indian words as some others. But Press Trust of India (PTI) may tell us where they've found actual proof of Oryans, before trying to sell the idea.
Methinks the above was written by an Indian christoterrorist (I suppose a psecularado or communist would be a possibility as well... even if less likely):
(1) Putin is booed all over the world, certainly by westernised Indian christians
(2) The above seeks to insinuate that Zoroastrian and Hindu people are opposed to Jewish concerns, by artificially and unrealistically combining Jews with the church and posing the two as conflicting groups.
(3) Setting up Russia with heathen India on one hand against the church and Jews. They're painting shades of nazi intolerance/elitism versus righteous christos (righteous only by association as the christos having now linked themselves - in that one statement, though never in actual fact or history - with the Jews). Meanwhile the facts of history show that christos <i>were</i> the nazis while the Orthodox church hounded many a Jewish person to his/her death.
That one line is meant to distance themselves from the nazis by tying Jewish people to themselves while attaching nazi connotations and alleged aspirations onto Hindus.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ever since the rise of Nazi Germany and the Hitler's crimes against the Jews during the Second World War anything Aryan had been a taboo in Communist Russia and for the first time President Vladimir Putin had made a timid attempt to mention the Aryan roots of Russia during his visit to India in January 2007.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And here they're making it sound like Putin has Oryan-infatuations and tendencies, by portraying him as having had to "hide" his alleged wish to mention some Oryan roots or whatnot. There's no evidence of his actually wanting to indicate "something else" or that he's been feeling "impeded" from mentioning the Oryans all through communist times because of some taboo. Who knows what he thinks of Oryans.
If he mentioned Zoroastrians, then that really says nothing more than just Zoroastrians. But the PTI writer(s) - are they mind-readers that they try to put words in his mouth?
(4) Pathetic efforts to rake up their Oryan tale again.
They have given no proof that Medvedev has anything to do with Samskritam other than state it repeatedly. Tilak's book is also fiction and irrelevant, it's only brought up to tie Oryans with Hindu nationalists in readers' minds:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Outstanding Indian scholar of Vedas and freedom fighter Bal Gangadhar Tilak<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->An entire multi-para article on what Putin "actually meant" where they quote <b>only 3 of his words</b> (which have nothing to do with Oryans anyway), and where they provide no evidence at all that their insinuations is indeed what he "meant". And in the world of IE-fantasy/scholarship, the "days of Zoroaster" come WAY after any Oryan invasions/migrations, because Zoroastrianism comes long after the supposed Europe-meets-India/Iran routine. So in that case too, how does a Russian connection with Zoroastrian period reference Oryans?
And then there's also:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Experts believe that Arctic Russia was the home of Indo-European Aryans tribes before they migrated to the South due to advent of Ice Age.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->They couldn't mean... In that case, No, Siberia and the parts of Russia neighbouring Alaska have NEVER been the original home of IE peoples. They've been the original home of "circumpolar tribes" or something - meaning the people like Sami and Innuit. All non-"IE".
In fact, the reporter(s) have said nothing concrete about where they're going with the article, except that one statement where they mention "Orthodox church and Jewish lobby". That is the crucial line in the whole article. They give their intentions away there. It is the key that explains the other paragraphs: shows the setup and the conclusion, the intended audience and the ideas they want to instill with it in various readers.
For instance, the statement about the 'Arctic Russian homeland of IE' is only to once again alienate Hindu Dharma from India in the mind of the audience, while the alien terrorist religion is made to sound more people-friendly/more righteous, more sympathetic and easier to relate to by mentioning it alongside Judaism.