05-11-2008, 09:35 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-11-2008, 09:36 AM by G.Subramaniam.)
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog...nese_iq_puzzle/
You cannot generalize Indian IQ as it varies tremendously amongst various sub population. Rushton and others disregard the high IQ results by Indian in the US (Hindus have the highest SAT scores as a subgroup) by claiming that this is because of selective immigration, and then take other results of lower IQ by indian immigrants as gospel, which is also a selective group.
There are two types of immigrant from India. Initially Highly skilled Indians emmigrated to the US. This was the initial wave. Then their spouses and other relatives also emmigrated. This subset was not as intellectually gifted. Then there are the economic immigrants. These are typically people who are not doing too well in India. Part of the reason is that they could not compete in India. This is the labor class, and probably has low IQ. This is what is found in Fiji, Vancouver, Gulf, and Carribean. You cannot make generalization by just looking at one group.
Britain probably has the most representative sample of immigrants. It has the doctors and engineers, along with the lower economic class people. IQ tests have shown that Indians in Britain have an IQ of 97, despite having a verbal disadvantage of not speaking English in majority of homes. Another study has indicated that as a group, Hindus do better than white english school children.
Most of the population in India is rural, and their brain does not get the stimulation that is needed to do well on these IQ tests. However if you question them in their area of expertise, they have good grasp of nuances in agriculture engineering that is needed to be a succesful farmer, rural businessmen, street vendor etc. There is also a subsection of population that is regressive and dumb, and they tend to belong to the tribal and/or lower caste population.
I would say that there is a population of 300 million in India with IQ comparable with that of white america. This essentially represents the so called middle class in India . Then there is another 700 million with an average IQ of about 92 (adjusting for what can be termed as Flynn effect). I would estimate that the average IQ of India is around 94â¦
Posted by Vic on Thursday, November 1, 2007 at 02:48 PM | #
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I am a professor , I teach math at the university level. I wonder how many of the people on this forum interact in any setting that enables observation of any intelligent traits across the genetic divide. As an educator I do this daily and for as long as I have been running a classroom I have never had an Indian student fail my class. I can however count about a dozen east Asians and score fulls of Caucasians who did not make the grade. On the contrary I have had Indian kids top my class every other year. Also, my general observation has been that Indian students grasp concepts rather quickly and have much better problem solving skills. I for one cannot believe that the Indian IQ is lower than even the American mean. The guys who did the survey got something horribly wrong, these Indians are smart, very smart.
Gordon
Austin, TX
Posted by Gordon on Saturday, February 16, 2008 at 10:23 AM | #
You cannot generalize Indian IQ as it varies tremendously amongst various sub population. Rushton and others disregard the high IQ results by Indian in the US (Hindus have the highest SAT scores as a subgroup) by claiming that this is because of selective immigration, and then take other results of lower IQ by indian immigrants as gospel, which is also a selective group.
There are two types of immigrant from India. Initially Highly skilled Indians emmigrated to the US. This was the initial wave. Then their spouses and other relatives also emmigrated. This subset was not as intellectually gifted. Then there are the economic immigrants. These are typically people who are not doing too well in India. Part of the reason is that they could not compete in India. This is the labor class, and probably has low IQ. This is what is found in Fiji, Vancouver, Gulf, and Carribean. You cannot make generalization by just looking at one group.
Britain probably has the most representative sample of immigrants. It has the doctors and engineers, along with the lower economic class people. IQ tests have shown that Indians in Britain have an IQ of 97, despite having a verbal disadvantage of not speaking English in majority of homes. Another study has indicated that as a group, Hindus do better than white english school children.
Most of the population in India is rural, and their brain does not get the stimulation that is needed to do well on these IQ tests. However if you question them in their area of expertise, they have good grasp of nuances in agriculture engineering that is needed to be a succesful farmer, rural businessmen, street vendor etc. There is also a subsection of population that is regressive and dumb, and they tend to belong to the tribal and/or lower caste population.
I would say that there is a population of 300 million in India with IQ comparable with that of white america. This essentially represents the so called middle class in India . Then there is another 700 million with an average IQ of about 92 (adjusting for what can be termed as Flynn effect). I would estimate that the average IQ of India is around 94â¦
Posted by Vic on Thursday, November 1, 2007 at 02:48 PM | #
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I am a professor , I teach math at the university level. I wonder how many of the people on this forum interact in any setting that enables observation of any intelligent traits across the genetic divide. As an educator I do this daily and for as long as I have been running a classroom I have never had an Indian student fail my class. I can however count about a dozen east Asians and score fulls of Caucasians who did not make the grade. On the contrary I have had Indian kids top my class every other year. Also, my general observation has been that Indian students grasp concepts rather quickly and have much better problem solving skills. I for one cannot believe that the Indian IQ is lower than even the American mean. The guys who did the survey got something horribly wrong, these Indians are smart, very smart.
Gordon
Austin, TX
Posted by Gordon on Saturday, February 16, 2008 at 10:23 AM | #