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Kinsan
October 25, 2006 09:12 PM
Well, I have been working in a big software company for over 10 years. About half of the coders are from India. By that, I think I earned enough credit to throw some comments on Indian coders. By statistics, I can rate 1 out of 5 Indian coders as good. For rest of them, they are either mediocre to lousy.
The biggest obstable for the Indians to be good programmers is not about knowledge or experience, it is about their cultural inclinatioin such as habits----far from being meticulous and detailed. I'd bet, if race factor is considered, Japanese would be the best programmer by far in the whole world.
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David Scott Lewis
November 7, 2006 09:53 AM
I'm sorry I didn't see this thread earlier. I have a somewhat unique background in that I've been VP, Business Development for the two largest U.S.-focused China-based ITO firms, i.e., Worksoft and Beyondsoft. I've also lived in China for nearly three years during which I met with over 100 ITO firms in over 20 different cities. And as additional background, prior to moving to China I was VP, E-Business Strategies at the META Group; I was META's analyst covering ITO.
So, let me add a bit of perspective that won't be too easy to find. First, comparing programmers in this fashion is silly. What does it really prove? The only thing I get out of Dong's dribble is more Chinese neo-Fascism/ultra-Nationalism (and I experience this everyday). Second, if Objectiva's programmers are doing such a great job, how come they're growing at a much slower rate than many other firms (such as the ones I've worked at)? Bad marketing, I guess. ;-) Third, India knows apps, China doesn't. This is the most important difference. Indian firms can service end users on a global basis; this is EXTREMELY difficult for China-based firms.
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Free-T1bet
November 27, 2006 02:48 PM
I have been to India, and have made many great friends there. India is a great country, with a bright future. The greatest worry I have for India and it's peaceful, federalist, secular state, is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on it's Northern border, and the Indian Muslim minority. There is a lot of jealousy there about India/Hindu success. Musharaf is holding down a society with a lot of internal disfunction that could burst into a sectarian agressor.
There is only one difference between India and China that matters. Intellectual Freedom.
An Indian can walk into a bookshop in any Indian city and buy whatever book he wants. The Indian can look at any website on the web. The Indian can phone whoever he wants in another country. the Indian can attend any course whether technical or non-technical to further his ability. The Indian can expand his mind and his horizon. And this is very much part of the Hindu culture.
The Chinese programmer will work very hard and likewise is very talented. He is restrained by the needs of the Party. He is only allowed see a portion of the world that agrees with what the party says. He is not allowed intellectual freedom to develop like the Indians.
If the Indian programmers are better, then the winners will be the Chinese people. Because they will be able to say, if we want to move forward we must follow India. The Chinese people will learn about the necessity for intellectual freedom. Not having intellectual freedom makes China more susceptible to Western vices. But free thinking India seems much better equiped for the challenges of modern society-equiped from within. Therefore for China's own sake, China needs intellectual freedom.
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Peter Wang
March 5, 2007 02:36 PM
Being a software programmer is such a far away memory for me. As a Taiwanese/Chinese, I went thru US graduate schools w/ some really brilliant Indian classmates, 1980s. Those days most of us are humble, even the Chinese and Indians almost made the enitire engineering class.
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Kinsan
October 25, 2006 09:12 PM
Well, I have been working in a big software company for over 10 years. About half of the coders are from India. By that, I think I earned enough credit to throw some comments on Indian coders. By statistics, I can rate 1 out of 5 Indian coders as good. For rest of them, they are either mediocre to lousy.
The biggest obstable for the Indians to be good programmers is not about knowledge or experience, it is about their cultural inclinatioin such as habits----far from being meticulous and detailed. I'd bet, if race factor is considered, Japanese would be the best programmer by far in the whole world.
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David Scott Lewis
November 7, 2006 09:53 AM
I'm sorry I didn't see this thread earlier. I have a somewhat unique background in that I've been VP, Business Development for the two largest U.S.-focused China-based ITO firms, i.e., Worksoft and Beyondsoft. I've also lived in China for nearly three years during which I met with over 100 ITO firms in over 20 different cities. And as additional background, prior to moving to China I was VP, E-Business Strategies at the META Group; I was META's analyst covering ITO.
So, let me add a bit of perspective that won't be too easy to find. First, comparing programmers in this fashion is silly. What does it really prove? The only thing I get out of Dong's dribble is more Chinese neo-Fascism/ultra-Nationalism (and I experience this everyday). Second, if Objectiva's programmers are doing such a great job, how come they're growing at a much slower rate than many other firms (such as the ones I've worked at)? Bad marketing, I guess. ;-) Third, India knows apps, China doesn't. This is the most important difference. Indian firms can service end users on a global basis; this is EXTREMELY difficult for China-based firms.
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Free-T1bet
November 27, 2006 02:48 PM
I have been to India, and have made many great friends there. India is a great country, with a bright future. The greatest worry I have for India and it's peaceful, federalist, secular state, is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on it's Northern border, and the Indian Muslim minority. There is a lot of jealousy there about India/Hindu success. Musharaf is holding down a society with a lot of internal disfunction that could burst into a sectarian agressor.
There is only one difference between India and China that matters. Intellectual Freedom.
An Indian can walk into a bookshop in any Indian city and buy whatever book he wants. The Indian can look at any website on the web. The Indian can phone whoever he wants in another country. the Indian can attend any course whether technical or non-technical to further his ability. The Indian can expand his mind and his horizon. And this is very much part of the Hindu culture.
The Chinese programmer will work very hard and likewise is very talented. He is restrained by the needs of the Party. He is only allowed see a portion of the world that agrees with what the party says. He is not allowed intellectual freedom to develop like the Indians.
If the Indian programmers are better, then the winners will be the Chinese people. Because they will be able to say, if we want to move forward we must follow India. The Chinese people will learn about the necessity for intellectual freedom. Not having intellectual freedom makes China more susceptible to Western vices. But free thinking India seems much better equiped for the challenges of modern society-equiped from within. Therefore for China's own sake, China needs intellectual freedom.
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Peter Wang
March 5, 2007 02:36 PM
Being a software programmer is such a far away memory for me. As a Taiwanese/Chinese, I went thru US graduate schools w/ some really brilliant Indian classmates, 1980s. Those days most of us are humble, even the Chinese and Indians almost made the enitire engineering class.
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