05-16-2008, 09:10 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-16-2008, 09:16 AM by Bharatvarsh.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Will be willing to learn if you show me where "RSS" organizes sarva pantha samAdara ma~ncha and equates muhammedanism and christianism and hindu faiths.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I said some of them meaning people in RSS, here is something about that:
http://voiceofdharma.com/books/tfst/
Note that a letter was written then to the current sarsangchalak of RSS about this:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Letter written by Dr. Godbole to Shri K. S. Sudarshan
You might recall that I had recently put forth before you, my views on �Hindu organisations and the Muslim problem� at the national meet of Prajna Bharati at Pune. Due to lack of time, I could not touch upon a very disturbing development viz. the formation of �Sarva Panth Samãdar Manch� by the Sangh. I am placing my views on the same for your kind consideration.
As I had outlined, the Muslim problem is essentially a problem of Islam and its theology - the Quran, Hadis, Sunnah all cultivate an exclusivist, separatist, imperialist political mind-set of its adherents, In this respect, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Marxism, Nazism, Fascism are all similar, It is only when followers of these ideologies outgrow/renounce these ideas that lasting peace is possible. There are encouraging signs that the foundations of Islam are showing cracks - many Muslims have begun to question the basic premises of Islam. Like Marxism, Islam as an ideology is bound to become a museum-piece. It is a pity that instead of encouraging the downfall of exclusivist ideologies, Hindu organisations, wittingly or otherwise, are giving props to them e.g. Sarva Panth Samadar Manch. The following issues arise in this context:
1. Does �Sarva Panth� include only �panths� arising from Bharatiya darshan and non-Biblical non-Bharatiya spiritual practices? If so, I welcome such a Manch. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case.
2. If it includes Islam and Christianity (which seems to be the case), why should it not include Marxism, Nazism and Fascism?
3. If the Manch is aimed at Muslims and their assimilation, I find the whole exercise naive and futile. �Sarva Panth Samadar� goes against the very tenets of Islam. Instead of repeating parrot-like that all religions are alike, why don�t Hindu leaders bother to open the Quran and read it for themselves? It is a disservice to Muslims also to be told that Islam is an ideology worthy of equal respect. That a large section of humanity is in the thrall of such dangerous ideologies should be a matter of concern to us. PARADOXICALLY, MUSLIMS SHOULD BE VIEWED NOT AS OPPRESSORS BUT AS THE GREATEST VICTIMS OF ISLAM. THEY SHOULD BE WEANED FROM ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY.
4. If the Manch is aimed at Hindus, then Hindus anyway don�t need your preaching of �Sarva Panth Samãdar� - in fact they already have had too much of it. WHAT HINDUS NEED TODAY IS NOT SARVA PANTH SAMÃDAR BUT SARVA PANTH CHIKITSÃ. It is only then that they will see through and beware of political ideologies masquerading as religions. Outfits like the Manch are by definition useless in this respect because they start with the assumption that all religions are worthy of equal respect.
5. The concept of �Sarva Panth Samãdar� is even more dangerous than the concept of �Sarva Dharma Samabhãv� mouthed by secularists. With the latter you are at least allowed equidistance from all religions. With the former, you actually ask me to show equal respect to Sanatana Dharma and Islam.2 This is not acceptable to me. Instead of indulging in verbal jugglery (Gandhian socialism, pseudo v/s true secularism, sarva panth samadar etc.). Hindu leaders should shed their intellectual inferiority complex and present a true Hindu world-view.
The question is - are Hindu leaders going to remain stubbornly ignorant and like Gandhiji�s monkeys refuse to see and hear evil?
I hope you will excuse my frankness. I trust you will understand the anguish felt by a junior swayamsevak like me.
Information about the formation of the Sarva Panth Samãdar Manch could not be included in the brochure because it was conveyed to us by Dr. Godbole after the brochure had been printed and put into circulation. His letter dated 21 October 1996 carried the following para:
Some information about �Sarva Panth Samadar Manch - Founded on 16 April 1994 at Reshmibaug, Nagpur before the samadhi of Dr. Hedgewar during a meeting of state and national level functionaries of Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh. The inaugural meeting of the SPSM was inaugurated by (who else?) Maulana Wahiduddin Khan. The all-India President is Prof. Jal Gimi, ex-VC, Nagpur University. The vice-Presidents are Shri Sukhnandan Singh, Shri Akhtar Hussain and Shri Gopi Masih. Offices and office-bearers of the Manch were formed all over India on 23 July 1994 (founding day of the BMS). The Manch observes 25 March as �National Integration day� as it is death anniversary of Ganesh Shankar Vidyarthi.
This letter from Dr. Godbole was received by us on 1 November 1996. On the same day we faxed the following message to A. Ghosh of Houston (Texas, U.S.A.):
Sarva Panth Samadar Manch was formed on 16 April 1996 before the Samadhi of Dr. Hedgewar in Nagpur. It was inaugurated by Maulana Wahiduddin Khan, blue-eyed boy of Sangh Parivar and leading light of Tablighi Jamaat, a wide-ranging movement for extinguishing all traces of Hindu culture from the consciousness and behaviour of Hindu converts to Islam. They insist on converts eating beef at a public meeting and marrying within degrees prohibited by Hinduism.
Ghosh had already received a copy of our brochure and written to us a few days earlier that it was being published as a full-page advertisement in the forthcoming Divali issue of the India Post, a weekly published from Los Angeles (California, U.S.A.). We had conveyed to him a brief characterization of the Tabligh movement on the basis of our extensive studies of it over the years. And we were happy to receive by airmail a copy of the India Post dated November 8, 1996 in which the brochure had been reproduced in full on its page A-21 with our fax message as a footnote in bold letters.
We may add here that the Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh (BMS) was launched in 1955 by Dattopant Thengdi who is known, in the words of Dr. Godbole, as �the tallest intellectual of the Sangh Parivar�. His writings over the years go to show that he has not only swallowed heavy doses of Marxism but also developed a soft corner for Islam. The fulsome praise he had lavished on Prophet Muhammad in an article published in a Special Number of the Sangh Parivar�s Hindu weekly, Pãñchajanya, in 1986 had caused considerable stir in Sangh circles. We had received quite a few telephone calls and letters from swayamsevaks asking us to write a rejoinder giving the true facts about the Prophet. But we had better things to do than engage in debate with a wilfully blind and overconfident strategist of the Sangh Parivar. In any case, we knew from our experience that no mouthpiece of the Sangh Parivar would dare publish even a syllable doubting the wisdom of a Sangh stalwart.
http://voiceofdharma.com/books/tfst/intro.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Savarkar's HM failed because of many factors, one is the supression by the dictator scumbag Nehru after Gandhis assasination, another was its purely political character instead of expressing some religiosity for the masses.
As for RSS and "afraid to die", I didn't say it derogatorily, most humans are afraid to put their life on the line and thats natural, i don't fault RSS for that but don't understand why they have to give space in their official publications like the Organiser or Panchajanya to rubbish praising Muhammad or Jesus. The average Hindu is already deeply confused, and when our supposed "swamis" and organizations praise our ideological enemies then it just confuses them even more and u end up with idiots who claim all religions are the same or equal.
Also its dangerous to think that a few isolated cases like Kannur means RSS has the capability to save Hindus, we have to understand that they are primarily a service oriented organization and not a military one, there are so many RSS men murdered daily by commies or xtian or muslim terrorists, by contrast RSS retaliation comes rarely. Communists and the other 2 "religion" have state power and terrorist outfits with ak 47s operating for them, RSS with its lathis is no match for lashkar or hizbul with their bombs and guns, again I am not saying it derogatorily but its an unavoidable fact nonetheless, if anything besides the army or the gov't (both of which seem anti Hindu or unconcerned, the army because its hands are tied by politicians) can retaliate then it will not be something like RSS but something like the LTTE, there is no escaping that fact. The only place Islamists are actually scared to try their antics is in Eelam mainly because of the terror inspired by the LTTE in their minds.
So Hindus better not rely on RSS to save their ass, psecs have made RSS seem like some type of SS to lull Hindus into a false sense of security, unfortunately many Hindus think RSS will save them only to be rudely awakened at the time of the riots.
At least in US u have private gun ownership to protect urself but in Bharat the gov't has given up any pretense of protecting Hindus during riots but it also cleverly doesn't want citizens to bear arms, it either has to protect the citizens or if its incapable of doing so, then it shouldn't stop Hindus from doing what they can to protect themselves, I am sure when rabid Islamic fanatics murdered Hindus in Sholapur for Falwells remarks about Muhammad or countless other such cases, if Hindus had some guns some precious lives would have been saved, the arguement that then Islamist fanatics will acquire guns holds no water because they already have them even though its against the law, when Marad happened Police found long swords in their mosque, basically they have an arsenal of weapons already and it doesn't matter to them if its against the law.
I said some of them meaning people in RSS, here is something about that:
http://voiceofdharma.com/books/tfst/
Note that a letter was written then to the current sarsangchalak of RSS about this:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Letter written by Dr. Godbole to Shri K. S. Sudarshan
You might recall that I had recently put forth before you, my views on �Hindu organisations and the Muslim problem� at the national meet of Prajna Bharati at Pune. Due to lack of time, I could not touch upon a very disturbing development viz. the formation of �Sarva Panth Samãdar Manch� by the Sangh. I am placing my views on the same for your kind consideration.
As I had outlined, the Muslim problem is essentially a problem of Islam and its theology - the Quran, Hadis, Sunnah all cultivate an exclusivist, separatist, imperialist political mind-set of its adherents, In this respect, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Marxism, Nazism, Fascism are all similar, It is only when followers of these ideologies outgrow/renounce these ideas that lasting peace is possible. There are encouraging signs that the foundations of Islam are showing cracks - many Muslims have begun to question the basic premises of Islam. Like Marxism, Islam as an ideology is bound to become a museum-piece. It is a pity that instead of encouraging the downfall of exclusivist ideologies, Hindu organisations, wittingly or otherwise, are giving props to them e.g. Sarva Panth Samadar Manch. The following issues arise in this context:
1. Does �Sarva Panth� include only �panths� arising from Bharatiya darshan and non-Biblical non-Bharatiya spiritual practices? If so, I welcome such a Manch. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case.
2. If it includes Islam and Christianity (which seems to be the case), why should it not include Marxism, Nazism and Fascism?
3. If the Manch is aimed at Muslims and their assimilation, I find the whole exercise naive and futile. �Sarva Panth Samadar� goes against the very tenets of Islam. Instead of repeating parrot-like that all religions are alike, why don�t Hindu leaders bother to open the Quran and read it for themselves? It is a disservice to Muslims also to be told that Islam is an ideology worthy of equal respect. That a large section of humanity is in the thrall of such dangerous ideologies should be a matter of concern to us. PARADOXICALLY, MUSLIMS SHOULD BE VIEWED NOT AS OPPRESSORS BUT AS THE GREATEST VICTIMS OF ISLAM. THEY SHOULD BE WEANED FROM ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY.
4. If the Manch is aimed at Hindus, then Hindus anyway don�t need your preaching of �Sarva Panth Samãdar� - in fact they already have had too much of it. WHAT HINDUS NEED TODAY IS NOT SARVA PANTH SAMÃDAR BUT SARVA PANTH CHIKITSÃ. It is only then that they will see through and beware of political ideologies masquerading as religions. Outfits like the Manch are by definition useless in this respect because they start with the assumption that all religions are worthy of equal respect.
5. The concept of �Sarva Panth Samãdar� is even more dangerous than the concept of �Sarva Dharma Samabhãv� mouthed by secularists. With the latter you are at least allowed equidistance from all religions. With the former, you actually ask me to show equal respect to Sanatana Dharma and Islam.2 This is not acceptable to me. Instead of indulging in verbal jugglery (Gandhian socialism, pseudo v/s true secularism, sarva panth samadar etc.). Hindu leaders should shed their intellectual inferiority complex and present a true Hindu world-view.
The question is - are Hindu leaders going to remain stubbornly ignorant and like Gandhiji�s monkeys refuse to see and hear evil?
I hope you will excuse my frankness. I trust you will understand the anguish felt by a junior swayamsevak like me.
Information about the formation of the Sarva Panth Samãdar Manch could not be included in the brochure because it was conveyed to us by Dr. Godbole after the brochure had been printed and put into circulation. His letter dated 21 October 1996 carried the following para:
Some information about �Sarva Panth Samadar Manch - Founded on 16 April 1994 at Reshmibaug, Nagpur before the samadhi of Dr. Hedgewar during a meeting of state and national level functionaries of Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh. The inaugural meeting of the SPSM was inaugurated by (who else?) Maulana Wahiduddin Khan. The all-India President is Prof. Jal Gimi, ex-VC, Nagpur University. The vice-Presidents are Shri Sukhnandan Singh, Shri Akhtar Hussain and Shri Gopi Masih. Offices and office-bearers of the Manch were formed all over India on 23 July 1994 (founding day of the BMS). The Manch observes 25 March as �National Integration day� as it is death anniversary of Ganesh Shankar Vidyarthi.
This letter from Dr. Godbole was received by us on 1 November 1996. On the same day we faxed the following message to A. Ghosh of Houston (Texas, U.S.A.):
Sarva Panth Samadar Manch was formed on 16 April 1996 before the Samadhi of Dr. Hedgewar in Nagpur. It was inaugurated by Maulana Wahiduddin Khan, blue-eyed boy of Sangh Parivar and leading light of Tablighi Jamaat, a wide-ranging movement for extinguishing all traces of Hindu culture from the consciousness and behaviour of Hindu converts to Islam. They insist on converts eating beef at a public meeting and marrying within degrees prohibited by Hinduism.
Ghosh had already received a copy of our brochure and written to us a few days earlier that it was being published as a full-page advertisement in the forthcoming Divali issue of the India Post, a weekly published from Los Angeles (California, U.S.A.). We had conveyed to him a brief characterization of the Tabligh movement on the basis of our extensive studies of it over the years. And we were happy to receive by airmail a copy of the India Post dated November 8, 1996 in which the brochure had been reproduced in full on its page A-21 with our fax message as a footnote in bold letters.
We may add here that the Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh (BMS) was launched in 1955 by Dattopant Thengdi who is known, in the words of Dr. Godbole, as �the tallest intellectual of the Sangh Parivar�. His writings over the years go to show that he has not only swallowed heavy doses of Marxism but also developed a soft corner for Islam. The fulsome praise he had lavished on Prophet Muhammad in an article published in a Special Number of the Sangh Parivar�s Hindu weekly, Pãñchajanya, in 1986 had caused considerable stir in Sangh circles. We had received quite a few telephone calls and letters from swayamsevaks asking us to write a rejoinder giving the true facts about the Prophet. But we had better things to do than engage in debate with a wilfully blind and overconfident strategist of the Sangh Parivar. In any case, we knew from our experience that no mouthpiece of the Sangh Parivar would dare publish even a syllable doubting the wisdom of a Sangh stalwart.
http://voiceofdharma.com/books/tfst/intro.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Savarkar's HM failed because of many factors, one is the supression by the dictator scumbag Nehru after Gandhis assasination, another was its purely political character instead of expressing some religiosity for the masses.
As for RSS and "afraid to die", I didn't say it derogatorily, most humans are afraid to put their life on the line and thats natural, i don't fault RSS for that but don't understand why they have to give space in their official publications like the Organiser or Panchajanya to rubbish praising Muhammad or Jesus. The average Hindu is already deeply confused, and when our supposed "swamis" and organizations praise our ideological enemies then it just confuses them even more and u end up with idiots who claim all religions are the same or equal.
Also its dangerous to think that a few isolated cases like Kannur means RSS has the capability to save Hindus, we have to understand that they are primarily a service oriented organization and not a military one, there are so many RSS men murdered daily by commies or xtian or muslim terrorists, by contrast RSS retaliation comes rarely. Communists and the other 2 "religion" have state power and terrorist outfits with ak 47s operating for them, RSS with its lathis is no match for lashkar or hizbul with their bombs and guns, again I am not saying it derogatorily but its an unavoidable fact nonetheless, if anything besides the army or the gov't (both of which seem anti Hindu or unconcerned, the army because its hands are tied by politicians) can retaliate then it will not be something like RSS but something like the LTTE, there is no escaping that fact. The only place Islamists are actually scared to try their antics is in Eelam mainly because of the terror inspired by the LTTE in their minds.
So Hindus better not rely on RSS to save their ass, psecs have made RSS seem like some type of SS to lull Hindus into a false sense of security, unfortunately many Hindus think RSS will save them only to be rudely awakened at the time of the riots.
At least in US u have private gun ownership to protect urself but in Bharat the gov't has given up any pretense of protecting Hindus during riots but it also cleverly doesn't want citizens to bear arms, it either has to protect the citizens or if its incapable of doing so, then it shouldn't stop Hindus from doing what they can to protect themselves, I am sure when rabid Islamic fanatics murdered Hindus in Sholapur for Falwells remarks about Muhammad or countless other such cases, if Hindus had some guns some precious lives would have been saved, the arguement that then Islamist fanatics will acquire guns holds no water because they already have them even though its against the law, when Marad happened Police found long swords in their mosque, basically they have an arsenal of weapons already and it doesn't matter to them if its against the law.