05-31-2008, 11:39 PM
Virenji,
I don't think you can claim SCHIP or universal healthcare as Hillary's ideas (that would be like Gore taking credit for inventing internet). Universal Healthcare has been a democratic party principle for a long time. Ted Kennedy probably deserves far more credit on these domestic policy issues than Hillary or Bill
Hillary went wrong with the implementation part in '94 and it helped to create backlash against democrats and that in turn caused them to lose house and senate. Bill with all his centrist policies was never able to reclaim the majority until Dean came along with his 50-state strategy in '06. Hillary has consistently shown poor judgement - whether it is health care in '94 or Iraq in '03.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Remember Gore debating Perot on CNN on this? And you seriously believe that this will change after Obama is elected?
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think democrats will have to do something about NAFTA/other free trade agreements if they are elected. On Obama advisor meeting with the canadians - wasn't he removed from the campaign ?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gore sat with Clinton in WH.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you go by what Hillary is proclaiming these days, she was the VP. I don't think Clinton and Gore were on speaking terms while Gore was running for office
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He's probabily a good man though light on experience
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lincoln was not very experienced when he ran for president, he was a single-term congressman from IL. Storm Thurmond probably had 50 years of experience in senate, but nobody would have picked him for president
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And it's the state with the highest number of colleges per square mile - if I'm not mistaken.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you are missing the point. Even in MA, college educated democrats were voting for Obama and he didn't lose MA by 40 points (unlike WV or KY where the electorate was less educated). Obama ran even with Clinton in MA among men and those with a college degree. But Clinton had a 2-to-1 advantage among women and people with no college degree. If you look at the analysis that I posted, it is even more pronounced as you move towards west coast
Otherwise why do you think Clinton was fuming against "people with college degrees" ? Ironically it is those people with college degrees that did well during clinton era compared to the blue-collar workers supporting Hillary
I don't think you can claim SCHIP or universal healthcare as Hillary's ideas (that would be like Gore taking credit for inventing internet). Universal Healthcare has been a democratic party principle for a long time. Ted Kennedy probably deserves far more credit on these domestic policy issues than Hillary or Bill
Hillary went wrong with the implementation part in '94 and it helped to create backlash against democrats and that in turn caused them to lose house and senate. Bill with all his centrist policies was never able to reclaim the majority until Dean came along with his 50-state strategy in '06. Hillary has consistently shown poor judgement - whether it is health care in '94 or Iraq in '03.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Remember Gore debating Perot on CNN on this? And you seriously believe that this will change after Obama is elected?
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think democrats will have to do something about NAFTA/other free trade agreements if they are elected. On Obama advisor meeting with the canadians - wasn't he removed from the campaign ?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gore sat with Clinton in WH.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you go by what Hillary is proclaiming these days, she was the VP. I don't think Clinton and Gore were on speaking terms while Gore was running for office
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He's probabily a good man though light on experience
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lincoln was not very experienced when he ran for president, he was a single-term congressman from IL. Storm Thurmond probably had 50 years of experience in senate, but nobody would have picked him for president
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And it's the state with the highest number of colleges per square mile - if I'm not mistaken.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you are missing the point. Even in MA, college educated democrats were voting for Obama and he didn't lose MA by 40 points (unlike WV or KY where the electorate was less educated). Obama ran even with Clinton in MA among men and those with a college degree. But Clinton had a 2-to-1 advantage among women and people with no college degree. If you look at the analysis that I posted, it is even more pronounced as you move towards west coast
Otherwise why do you think Clinton was fuming against "people with college degrees" ? Ironically it is those people with college degrees that did well during clinton era compared to the blue-collar workers supporting Hillary