<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Moreover all our saints , whether it be Chaitanya or Ramakrishna have sought to bridge the gap between ourselves and the Abrahamic faiths by revealing that the Abrahamic faiths at the kernel have a pPagan verse.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh please. They knew about Hindu Gods/Dharma, but they were ignorant of christoislamism: like typical Hindus, they merely saw our own Gods everywhere. That's from where all such ideas expressed by these two and others stem from.
Meanwhile, you would know what Vivekananda said about christoislamism. He had taken some more pains to get to know christoislamicommunism.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"look, brother, we are not against you, but this is just the truth, which happens to be our religion."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->"You Hindoo and your heathen claptrap. <b>Only the ummah are my brothers.</b> You're a kaffiri whose life is not worth the jizya you're paying." And if you're unlucky this is followed by a "Take that (whacks you with his scimitar)". Just as happened not too long ago to some Hindu fishermen in Kerala. Though you may not notice it, your continued prevarication on christoislamism is in fact condoning what happened to them and many others who shared a similar fate. That's because your continued silence on what the real killer is (not the followers of islam or christianism - but their criminal ideology christoislamicommunism) is merely another pebble in the way being paved for it to mow everyone else over. Natural traditionalists don't need more of their own to become apologists for christoislamism.
Thinking like a Dharmic/follower of a Natural Tradition when trying to understand christoislamism is people's first mistake. Forget all you know about Hinduism to understand their religion, start with an empty slate, and with that mindset, read the bible (koran too, if you can stomach it).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->However if we say x-religion is b*** , we may end up unnecessarily antagonising everybody.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not another advocate for lying to keep others happy. Why did I never like that routine? Same reason I don't like the people who want to write a rosy history of christoislamicommunism in India.
The truth about history and ideologies even if it offends everybody should be what humans should press for. Oh, I forgot. That goes against the glorious psecular tradition of alleged-Freedom of Speech=Laws banning heathens stating facts (facts are tagged as "blasphemy") about christoislamism in western (including Indian) media.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->nationalists<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Others will speak for themselves. I'm not a nationalist. I'm a Hindu.
I support Dharmics/National Traditionalists of other countries too. And as soon as my people (Hindus/Dharmics of Ancient India) have risen again, I will want Indians to concentrate on helping or otherwise encouraging the same for the other Natural Traditionalists - if any haven't wrestled their freedoms back yet at that stage. Hopefully all of this with no effort on my part.
For one thing, nationalism does not mean what you think it means - at least, it did not mean what <i>I</i> thought it meant. It's a western concept that does not at all approximate what many Hindus feel. It does not mean love for Bharatam. Nationalism is not loving your country and respecting others'. In Europe it meant being obsessed about your country at the expense of other people. The christonazis were nationalists and killed or invaded everybody else. The patriotic English went and fought WWI for no other reason than pride. They lied about what they did to India out of christonationalistic principles. Americans are so nationalist and patriotic they will declare that the wars they regularly instigate in other countries (Buddhist Korea, Vietnam to now Afghanistan, Iraq) are all in "defense of the US". That's a ridiculous use of language diversions there even from them.
Indian pseculars describe themselves as nationalists too, that's why they want to rewrite history their way. Many christians consider themselves nationalists too and have dedicated India to their jeebus and promised their non-existent gawd to give it to him on a platter even though no one else wants to be part of "India-for-jeebus". Islamics have grandiose plays to turn Bharatam into one or more Dar-ul-islams and are very patriotic towards the country they have in mind and sometimes even kill themselves for when they take down large numbers of kaffirs who will have no place as equal members in a Dar-ul-islamic society.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->gentleman (????), I am totally aware of the need to counter the evangelist propaganda emanating from Paulinists aka Roman catholics and newer protestant forms.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No.
It's the duty of every Natural Traditionalist who loves their God(s), their traditions, their ancestors and humanity to protect the world from terrorism. The greatest terrorism is the mindvirus of christoislamicommunazism that has marred all of human history since its ill-fated appearance. I think enough people (entire populations) have been butchered by now for people to finally start admitting to the facts. Or so one would think.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->evangelist propaganda emanating from Paulinists aka Roman catholics and newer protestant forms.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's called christianism or "christianity". Why does it stick in your throat to call this terrorism by its real name?
Evangelism is but one of its many painful (for others) symptoms. You will cure nothing if you aim to relieve the symptoms, if you pretend the symptoms are the virus. Even if you manage to remove any symptom, the mindvirus of christianism will merely give rise to something equally venomous to replace it. You may not mind being done in by it, but others don't want our civilisations to be destroyed like so many in the Europe, the Americas and Africa. We like to continuing living, and in our way.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I have studied even hagiographies for that matter.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The study of the "history"/tales of christian saints or something, right? (Even I wouldn't have advised anyone to waste their time in that way...)
Then you already know they were all either (1) non-existent (2) frauds (3) narratives stolen from pagan sources, as admitted by even <i>christian</i> historians. Joseph McCabe summarises this matter: http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix5.htm <b>"Early Saints and Martyrs. Scholarship exposed the vast fraud"</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I must most humbly submit that I would not like to see this thread descent into an arena where post after post seeks to give me a "re-education". I have been down this road before on another forum (that time with Islam) and would not like to repeat the same pleasant experience. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You found those facts of christoislamic history and present on "another forum" too painful for you? (Any other normal person would too.) But then why defend it? If you don't want to know, Fine. (Who would want to know really, it's the most depressing thing to learn.) But don't talk about it then as if it is semi-innocent. It's not innocent at all.
Meanwhile, you would know what Vivekananda said about christoislamism. He had taken some more pains to get to know christoislamicommunism.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"look, brother, we are not against you, but this is just the truth, which happens to be our religion."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->"You Hindoo and your heathen claptrap. <b>Only the ummah are my brothers.</b> You're a kaffiri whose life is not worth the jizya you're paying." And if you're unlucky this is followed by a "Take that (whacks you with his scimitar)". Just as happened not too long ago to some Hindu fishermen in Kerala. Though you may not notice it, your continued prevarication on christoislamism is in fact condoning what happened to them and many others who shared a similar fate. That's because your continued silence on what the real killer is (not the followers of islam or christianism - but their criminal ideology christoislamicommunism) is merely another pebble in the way being paved for it to mow everyone else over. Natural traditionalists don't need more of their own to become apologists for christoislamism.
Thinking like a Dharmic/follower of a Natural Tradition when trying to understand christoislamism is people's first mistake. Forget all you know about Hinduism to understand their religion, start with an empty slate, and with that mindset, read the bible (koran too, if you can stomach it).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->However if we say x-religion is b*** , we may end up unnecessarily antagonising everybody.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not another advocate for lying to keep others happy. Why did I never like that routine? Same reason I don't like the people who want to write a rosy history of christoislamicommunism in India.
The truth about history and ideologies even if it offends everybody should be what humans should press for. Oh, I forgot. That goes against the glorious psecular tradition of alleged-Freedom of Speech=Laws banning heathens stating facts (facts are tagged as "blasphemy") about christoislamism in western (including Indian) media.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->nationalists<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Others will speak for themselves. I'm not a nationalist. I'm a Hindu.
I support Dharmics/National Traditionalists of other countries too. And as soon as my people (Hindus/Dharmics of Ancient India) have risen again, I will want Indians to concentrate on helping or otherwise encouraging the same for the other Natural Traditionalists - if any haven't wrestled their freedoms back yet at that stage. Hopefully all of this with no effort on my part.
For one thing, nationalism does not mean what you think it means - at least, it did not mean what <i>I</i> thought it meant. It's a western concept that does not at all approximate what many Hindus feel. It does not mean love for Bharatam. Nationalism is not loving your country and respecting others'. In Europe it meant being obsessed about your country at the expense of other people. The christonazis were nationalists and killed or invaded everybody else. The patriotic English went and fought WWI for no other reason than pride. They lied about what they did to India out of christonationalistic principles. Americans are so nationalist and patriotic they will declare that the wars they regularly instigate in other countries (Buddhist Korea, Vietnam to now Afghanistan, Iraq) are all in "defense of the US". That's a ridiculous use of language diversions there even from them.
Indian pseculars describe themselves as nationalists too, that's why they want to rewrite history their way. Many christians consider themselves nationalists too and have dedicated India to their jeebus and promised their non-existent gawd to give it to him on a platter even though no one else wants to be part of "India-for-jeebus". Islamics have grandiose plays to turn Bharatam into one or more Dar-ul-islams and are very patriotic towards the country they have in mind and sometimes even kill themselves for when they take down large numbers of kaffirs who will have no place as equal members in a Dar-ul-islamic society.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->gentleman (????), I am totally aware of the need to counter the evangelist propaganda emanating from Paulinists aka Roman catholics and newer protestant forms.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No.
It's the duty of every Natural Traditionalist who loves their God(s), their traditions, their ancestors and humanity to protect the world from terrorism. The greatest terrorism is the mindvirus of christoislamicommunazism that has marred all of human history since its ill-fated appearance. I think enough people (entire populations) have been butchered by now for people to finally start admitting to the facts. Or so one would think.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->evangelist propaganda emanating from Paulinists aka Roman catholics and newer protestant forms.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's called christianism or "christianity". Why does it stick in your throat to call this terrorism by its real name?
Evangelism is but one of its many painful (for others) symptoms. You will cure nothing if you aim to relieve the symptoms, if you pretend the symptoms are the virus. Even if you manage to remove any symptom, the mindvirus of christianism will merely give rise to something equally venomous to replace it. You may not mind being done in by it, but others don't want our civilisations to be destroyed like so many in the Europe, the Americas and Africa. We like to continuing living, and in our way.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I have studied even hagiographies for that matter.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The study of the "history"/tales of christian saints or something, right? (Even I wouldn't have advised anyone to waste their time in that way...)
Then you already know they were all either (1) non-existent (2) frauds (3) narratives stolen from pagan sources, as admitted by even <i>christian</i> historians. Joseph McCabe summarises this matter: http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix5.htm <b>"Early Saints and Martyrs. Scholarship exposed the vast fraud"</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I must most humbly submit that I would not like to see this thread descent into an arena where post after post seeks to give me a "re-education". I have been down this road before on another forum (that time with Islam) and would not like to repeat the same pleasant experience. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You found those facts of christoislamic history and present on "another forum" too painful for you? (Any other normal person would too.) But then why defend it? If you don't want to know, Fine. (Who would want to know really, it's the most depressing thing to learn.) But don't talk about it then as if it is semi-innocent. It's not innocent at all.
Death to traitors.