07-26-2008, 08:18 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslims have been playing the victim since British rule no matter what and its a mistake in my opinion to give any credence to their demands which are mostly nonsense anyway<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Absolutely. British played a big part in goading the muslims to think this way. My point is that they already feel that way. Whether or not we give credence to it does not really matter.
A mullah with his rhetoric can whip them up to a frenzy much like in the Marad riots etc. When it comes to investigating cases like this we have to do this strictly by the book, no macho 'kill them in encounters' etc. Look at the case of afzal guru with accusations of human rights violation etc. The police have to build an airtight case backed by strong evidence.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->its not the govt's job to coddle them and make them integrate, when in 47 they stayed on after partition they implicitly agreed to integrate, if not any muslims who live in delusions of maintaining a separate identity (thru sharia in civil matters or whatever) always have their promised land next door and they don't belong in India<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's the govt job to make them integrate. Coddling them is not the answer, I agree with you. Outside pressure has to be applied otherwise the people will take the law into their own hands and we will have riots. I seriously doubt whether muslims agreed at all to be secular either implicitly or explicitly in 47. Most stayed b/c they couldnt afford to leave. We know that Maulana Azad wanted muslims to stay in India to make it Dar-ul-Islam. He saw the partition as a defeat to Islam in India. The Indian govt with its policies of catering to muslims really gives no incentives for them to integrate. Why should they? To paraphrase the PM, why should they lose out on the first cut of all resources?
How much ever we would like the hardcore jehadis to leave, do you think they will? They all think like Azad. Like I said before, we have to break the strangle hold of the mullahs and apply pressure on them to integrate.
Absolutely. British played a big part in goading the muslims to think this way. My point is that they already feel that way. Whether or not we give credence to it does not really matter.
A mullah with his rhetoric can whip them up to a frenzy much like in the Marad riots etc. When it comes to investigating cases like this we have to do this strictly by the book, no macho 'kill them in encounters' etc. Look at the case of afzal guru with accusations of human rights violation etc. The police have to build an airtight case backed by strong evidence.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->its not the govt's job to coddle them and make them integrate, when in 47 they stayed on after partition they implicitly agreed to integrate, if not any muslims who live in delusions of maintaining a separate identity (thru sharia in civil matters or whatever) always have their promised land next door and they don't belong in India<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's the govt job to make them integrate. Coddling them is not the answer, I agree with you. Outside pressure has to be applied otherwise the people will take the law into their own hands and we will have riots. I seriously doubt whether muslims agreed at all to be secular either implicitly or explicitly in 47. Most stayed b/c they couldnt afford to leave. We know that Maulana Azad wanted muslims to stay in India to make it Dar-ul-Islam. He saw the partition as a defeat to Islam in India. The Indian govt with its policies of catering to muslims really gives no incentives for them to integrate. Why should they? To paraphrase the PM, why should they lose out on the first cut of all resources?
How much ever we would like the hardcore jehadis to leave, do you think they will? They all think like Azad. Like I said before, we have to break the strangle hold of the mullahs and apply pressure on them to integrate.