<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Aug 28 2008, 04:11 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Aug 28 2008, 04:11 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->see this report on CNN website.Â
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/...ence/index.html
The above report spins the whole muder of Hindu sannyasi in a way that makes Christians appear the poor victims of the havoc unleashed by those murderous Hindus. <b>there must be some common training course that these jornos have attended.</b>
[right][snapback]87146[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's AmeriKKKa. It's their missionaries working on conversion, their intelligence agents working on subversion and breaking up India. CNN also famous for cutting Kashmir off Indian map and presenting it as separate back in 2001 or whenever (see ivarta site)
USAID belongs to US government. IIRC World Vision is a branch off USAID.
These American-govt sponsored/organised media reports are all pre-emptive strikes. "Murder the heathens but never again let the world know christianism did it."
Since it is inevitable that the murder of the Swami would come to light, considering the violent repercussions in the region, and since it's a fact that the christoterrorists did it, American christolying media needs to say it was heathens' own fault/they had it coming. It's American-christoterrorist version of "the Sabarmati Express Hindus torched themselves".
http://www.ivarta.com/newsletters/nL_031023.htm
See this page in particular: http://www.ivarta.com/IC_NoteOnMaps.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>3. Anti-India and Pro-Terrorism version by biased media agencies</b>
This map generally shows word 'Disputed' in the Indian part of Kashmir (Microsoft Map). Or India is shown without Jammu and Kashmir (FoxNews, CNN).
(Also Times ragazine of course, see Sandhya Jain)
<b>5. Most erroneous version of J&K map is by American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.christianaggression.org/features_bush.php
Bush's Conversion Agenda for India: Preparing for the harvest ...
Tehelka
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Holistic development tactics</b>
<b>World Vision,</b> the world's largest Christian church mission agency, has traditionally been closely linked with successive American governments. The former US Ambassador for International Religious Freedoms, Dr Robert Seiple, was WV chief for 11 years till 1998 when he was picked by former president, Bill Clinton, to head the office of International Religious Freedoms. Around the period when Seiple was the president of WV, its vice-president from 1993 to 1998 was Andrew S. Natsios. He is now the administrator of the <b>US Agency for International Development (USAID). For more than 40 years, USAID has been the leading government agency</b> providing economic and humanitarian assistance to developing countries.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Data on India: the CIA connection</b>
The "spying out" missions that generated the vast ethnographic data of the Indian people also involved detailed study of Dr KS Singh's 'People of India Project' that was launched in 1985 by the Anthropological Society of India (ASI). Under Singh's leadership, the ASI undertook an ambitious project to chart one of the most far-reaching ethnographic studies in the 20th century. Five hundred scholars spent over 26,000 field days to compile information for these volumes. This gigantic research work came handy for American and Indian strategists to draft their evangelical plans for India. According to Luis Bush, "Never before has this kind of information on India been so carefully surveyed, prepared, well published and distributedâ¦We do not believe it is accidental. God is allowing us to "spy out the land" that we might go in and claim both it and its inhabitants for Him."
The data collected by experts from Wycliffe/Summer Institute of Linguistics, World Vision (WV) and the International Mission Board/Southern Baptists to compile the <b>Joshua Project</b> Peoples list included a detailed and comprehensive list of the people groups in India as well. Though this may appear normal international research activity - generating ethnographic profiles of non-Christian people groups in the 10/40 window - there are unseen dangers inherent in the compilation of such accurate people-group profiles.
The CIA has publicly admitted to having used Wycliffe/SIL and the Southern Baptists for covert intelligence operations in many parts of the world. The cosy relationship between the Wycliffe and CIA is documented exhaustively in a book Thy Will Be Done written in the 1990s by Gerald Colby and Charlotte Dennett. The book documents joint CIA-Wycliffe missions to source anthropological data from Latin America. Here's a quote from the book: "SIL had helped gather anthropological information on the Tarascan Indians that ended up in Nelson Rockefeller's intelligence files. The files contained cross-references to reveal behavioural patterns among Indian peoples in everything from socialisation (including aggressive tendencies) and personality traits, drives, emotions, and language structure, to political intrigue, kinship ties, traditional authority, mineral resources, exploitation, and labor relations. Rockefeller called these data the Strategic Index of Latin America." The question that will rattle not only the Indian government, but also outrage the Indian citizens is whether the American-funded "spying missions" carried out by Indian and foreign missionary agencies through more than a decade has resulted in the preparation of a 'Strategic Index of India' at the CIA headquarters?
Wycliffe, the Southern Baptists and World Vision have all been active in India as well. Could it be mere coincidence that Southern Baptists who are amongst President Bush's most loyal supporters, played an active role in the "spying out" missions? In fact, Colby and Dennett's book features a missionary of the Christian and Missionary Alliance, William Carlsen, who admits that he gave an eight-hour briefing to the CIA on Thailand's tribal areas. In the mid-1970s when the CIA's penetration of American missionary agencies made international headlines, the agency passed a self-limiting executive order to refrain from using foreign missionaries for intelligence gathering operations. Incidentally, it was George Bush Sr who in his first action as the new CIA director declared on February 11, 1976, that he would ban the practice of enlisting "clergymen and newsmen as intelligence agents." But this was just public grandstanding, doublespeak to save the CIA not only from embarrassment, but protect its operations in Latin American countries such as Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador. As soon as this announcement was made the CIA granted itself a private waiver. This was confirmed in April 1996 when the then CIA director, John Deutch, testifying before a Senate intelligence committee, said that the agency could waive the ban in cases "unique and special threats to national security."
<b>Faith-based policies of White House</b>
Surprisingly, Bush's supporters like the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), made laborious protests then to condemn the collaboration between missionaries and the intelligence agency. "Any foreigner living in a foreign culture already comes under a natural suspicion. If this policy is reversed, it would totally erode the ministry of missionaries," said Jerry Rankin, the then president of the Southern Baptist Convention Foreign Mission Board. In effect, this amounted to a plea to the CIA to keep their most well publicized (and hardly noticed) secret guarded!! The very fact that CIA has been courting religious missionaries in India and elsewhere is testimony to the fact that US funded evangelical missions have an unparalleled reach to the remotest corners of the country. Christianity Today in its issue of April 29, 1996, carried the following comment by the NAE President Don Argue: "For intelligence agencies to seek any relationship whatsoever with our religious workers must be unequivocally prohibited."
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And of course there is American christoterrorist Kenneth Haywood, formerly in American police and army.
American taxpayers' money goes to USAID -> World Vision -> christoterrorism. Whether Hindus in America are sending money to Hindu charities or not, their taxes are certainly going toward conversion.
Read http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1078984877 - The Conversion Agenda by Rajiv Malhotra, on US tax money diverted to terrorise your family and village/town in Bharatam
And
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1130133787 "Project Thessalonica is a sub-project of Joshua Project II."
And
http://web.archive.org/web/20040122120208/...eo/mission.html - about where US tax money has long been going: murdering South American native Americans!
When declared American foreign policy is to break up India (destroy Hindu Dharma) why pretend surprise.
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_III.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Till recently, American foreign policy agencies made no secret of their designs on India's unity. When she was US ambassador to the UN, Mrs. Jean Kirkpatrick once said that "the break-up of India is one of the goals of the American foreign policy." Patrick Moynihan, who had held the same job, said more recently, "After the break-up of the Soviet Union, the artificial state India is also bound to break up."
(source: Indigenous Indians: Agastya to Ambedkar - By Koenraad Elst p. 59-60).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's not secret now either is it.
I never know why Hindus in America are shocked at what's in California textbooks, the anti-Temple building position of America, RAND, US help (including university positions) to psecular 'social activists'/communists and islamaniacs from TSP, their setting up of Wendy Doniger and Spawn and similar types of individus and their books - when all this negation of Hindu Dharma and maltreatment of Hindus and subversion of Bharatam is <i>intended</i>.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->G Sub: If more hindus followed the muslim example ...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Choking. Do you really think Hindus will ever kill our own family members? We're not christoislamaniacs. Stop advocating christoislamaniac measures.
We don't even shoot the christoislamaniac terrorists who murder our Swamis and blow up Hindus and temples (and those terrorists actually deserve to be shot).
But since you're so free with such advice, what's your recommendation on how to deal with the issue of US Hindus paying taxes that end up funding US' christoterrorism against Bharatam and Dharmic traditions? Or is that not treachery.
Do you reserve your venom only for those loonies of Hindu ancestry who marry into christoislamiterrorism? Then again, thankfully you are not a hypocrite as you don't live in the US. Do you.
<b>ADDED:</b> No, I'm not advocating anything against Hindus in US who live there and are unwittingly helping to destroy Bharatam without realising it, but just fed up with the blindsided narrow identification of what constitutes treachery/threat while ignoring much larger/more potent instances happening everyday and committed by possibly unknowing or perhaps uncaring Hindus living overseas, particularly US (only country famous for large-scale internal and certainly external missionary spending that goes particularly towards destroying other ways of lives and nations).
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/...ence/index.html
The above report spins the whole muder of Hindu sannyasi in a way that makes Christians appear the poor victims of the havoc unleashed by those murderous Hindus. <b>there must be some common training course that these jornos have attended.</b>
[right][snapback]87146[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's AmeriKKKa. It's their missionaries working on conversion, their intelligence agents working on subversion and breaking up India. CNN also famous for cutting Kashmir off Indian map and presenting it as separate back in 2001 or whenever (see ivarta site)
USAID belongs to US government. IIRC World Vision is a branch off USAID.
These American-govt sponsored/organised media reports are all pre-emptive strikes. "Murder the heathens but never again let the world know christianism did it."
Since it is inevitable that the murder of the Swami would come to light, considering the violent repercussions in the region, and since it's a fact that the christoterrorists did it, American christolying media needs to say it was heathens' own fault/they had it coming. It's American-christoterrorist version of "the Sabarmati Express Hindus torched themselves".
http://www.ivarta.com/newsletters/nL_031023.htm
See this page in particular: http://www.ivarta.com/IC_NoteOnMaps.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>3. Anti-India and Pro-Terrorism version by biased media agencies</b>
This map generally shows word 'Disputed' in the Indian part of Kashmir (Microsoft Map). Or India is shown without Jammu and Kashmir (FoxNews, CNN).
(Also Times ragazine of course, see Sandhya Jain)
<b>5. Most erroneous version of J&K map is by American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.christianaggression.org/features_bush.php
Bush's Conversion Agenda for India: Preparing for the harvest ...
Tehelka
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Holistic development tactics</b>
<b>World Vision,</b> the world's largest Christian church mission agency, has traditionally been closely linked with successive American governments. The former US Ambassador for International Religious Freedoms, Dr Robert Seiple, was WV chief for 11 years till 1998 when he was picked by former president, Bill Clinton, to head the office of International Religious Freedoms. Around the period when Seiple was the president of WV, its vice-president from 1993 to 1998 was Andrew S. Natsios. He is now the administrator of the <b>US Agency for International Development (USAID). For more than 40 years, USAID has been the leading government agency</b> providing economic and humanitarian assistance to developing countries.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Data on India: the CIA connection</b>
The "spying out" missions that generated the vast ethnographic data of the Indian people also involved detailed study of Dr KS Singh's 'People of India Project' that was launched in 1985 by the Anthropological Society of India (ASI). Under Singh's leadership, the ASI undertook an ambitious project to chart one of the most far-reaching ethnographic studies in the 20th century. Five hundred scholars spent over 26,000 field days to compile information for these volumes. This gigantic research work came handy for American and Indian strategists to draft their evangelical plans for India. According to Luis Bush, "Never before has this kind of information on India been so carefully surveyed, prepared, well published and distributedâ¦We do not believe it is accidental. God is allowing us to "spy out the land" that we might go in and claim both it and its inhabitants for Him."
The data collected by experts from Wycliffe/Summer Institute of Linguistics, World Vision (WV) and the International Mission Board/Southern Baptists to compile the <b>Joshua Project</b> Peoples list included a detailed and comprehensive list of the people groups in India as well. Though this may appear normal international research activity - generating ethnographic profiles of non-Christian people groups in the 10/40 window - there are unseen dangers inherent in the compilation of such accurate people-group profiles.
The CIA has publicly admitted to having used Wycliffe/SIL and the Southern Baptists for covert intelligence operations in many parts of the world. The cosy relationship between the Wycliffe and CIA is documented exhaustively in a book Thy Will Be Done written in the 1990s by Gerald Colby and Charlotte Dennett. The book documents joint CIA-Wycliffe missions to source anthropological data from Latin America. Here's a quote from the book: "SIL had helped gather anthropological information on the Tarascan Indians that ended up in Nelson Rockefeller's intelligence files. The files contained cross-references to reveal behavioural patterns among Indian peoples in everything from socialisation (including aggressive tendencies) and personality traits, drives, emotions, and language structure, to political intrigue, kinship ties, traditional authority, mineral resources, exploitation, and labor relations. Rockefeller called these data the Strategic Index of Latin America." The question that will rattle not only the Indian government, but also outrage the Indian citizens is whether the American-funded "spying missions" carried out by Indian and foreign missionary agencies through more than a decade has resulted in the preparation of a 'Strategic Index of India' at the CIA headquarters?
Wycliffe, the Southern Baptists and World Vision have all been active in India as well. Could it be mere coincidence that Southern Baptists who are amongst President Bush's most loyal supporters, played an active role in the "spying out" missions? In fact, Colby and Dennett's book features a missionary of the Christian and Missionary Alliance, William Carlsen, who admits that he gave an eight-hour briefing to the CIA on Thailand's tribal areas. In the mid-1970s when the CIA's penetration of American missionary agencies made international headlines, the agency passed a self-limiting executive order to refrain from using foreign missionaries for intelligence gathering operations. Incidentally, it was George Bush Sr who in his first action as the new CIA director declared on February 11, 1976, that he would ban the practice of enlisting "clergymen and newsmen as intelligence agents." But this was just public grandstanding, doublespeak to save the CIA not only from embarrassment, but protect its operations in Latin American countries such as Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador. As soon as this announcement was made the CIA granted itself a private waiver. This was confirmed in April 1996 when the then CIA director, John Deutch, testifying before a Senate intelligence committee, said that the agency could waive the ban in cases "unique and special threats to national security."
<b>Faith-based policies of White House</b>
Surprisingly, Bush's supporters like the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), made laborious protests then to condemn the collaboration between missionaries and the intelligence agency. "Any foreigner living in a foreign culture already comes under a natural suspicion. If this policy is reversed, it would totally erode the ministry of missionaries," said Jerry Rankin, the then president of the Southern Baptist Convention Foreign Mission Board. In effect, this amounted to a plea to the CIA to keep their most well publicized (and hardly noticed) secret guarded!! The very fact that CIA has been courting religious missionaries in India and elsewhere is testimony to the fact that US funded evangelical missions have an unparalleled reach to the remotest corners of the country. Christianity Today in its issue of April 29, 1996, carried the following comment by the NAE President Don Argue: "For intelligence agencies to seek any relationship whatsoever with our religious workers must be unequivocally prohibited."
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And of course there is American christoterrorist Kenneth Haywood, formerly in American police and army.
American taxpayers' money goes to USAID -> World Vision -> christoterrorism. Whether Hindus in America are sending money to Hindu charities or not, their taxes are certainly going toward conversion.
Read http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1078984877 - The Conversion Agenda by Rajiv Malhotra, on US tax money diverted to terrorise your family and village/town in Bharatam
And
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1130133787 "Project Thessalonica is a sub-project of Joshua Project II."
And
http://web.archive.org/web/20040122120208/...eo/mission.html - about where US tax money has long been going: murdering South American native Americans!
When declared American foreign policy is to break up India (destroy Hindu Dharma) why pretend surprise.
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_III.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Till recently, American foreign policy agencies made no secret of their designs on India's unity. When she was US ambassador to the UN, Mrs. Jean Kirkpatrick once said that "the break-up of India is one of the goals of the American foreign policy." Patrick Moynihan, who had held the same job, said more recently, "After the break-up of the Soviet Union, the artificial state India is also bound to break up."
(source: Indigenous Indians: Agastya to Ambedkar - By Koenraad Elst p. 59-60).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's not secret now either is it.
I never know why Hindus in America are shocked at what's in California textbooks, the anti-Temple building position of America, RAND, US help (including university positions) to psecular 'social activists'/communists and islamaniacs from TSP, their setting up of Wendy Doniger and Spawn and similar types of individus and their books - when all this negation of Hindu Dharma and maltreatment of Hindus and subversion of Bharatam is <i>intended</i>.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->G Sub: If more hindus followed the muslim example ...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Choking. Do you really think Hindus will ever kill our own family members? We're not christoislamaniacs. Stop advocating christoislamaniac measures.
We don't even shoot the christoislamaniac terrorists who murder our Swamis and blow up Hindus and temples (and those terrorists actually deserve to be shot).
But since you're so free with such advice, what's your recommendation on how to deal with the issue of US Hindus paying taxes that end up funding US' christoterrorism against Bharatam and Dharmic traditions? Or is that not treachery.
Do you reserve your venom only for those loonies of Hindu ancestry who marry into christoislamiterrorism? Then again, thankfully you are not a hypocrite as you don't live in the US. Do you.
<b>ADDED:</b> No, I'm not advocating anything against Hindus in US who live there and are unwittingly helping to destroy Bharatam without realising it, but just fed up with the blindsided narrow identification of what constitutes treachery/threat while ignoring much larger/more potent instances happening everyday and committed by possibly unknowing or perhaps uncaring Hindus living overseas, particularly US (only country famous for large-scale internal and certainly external missionary spending that goes particularly towards destroying other ways of lives and nations).
Death to traitors.